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Thursday, August 1, 2013

And yet . . .

And yet. And yet. And yet.

If they were not in it together, and in fact John did it all on his own, as I contend, then . . .

1. Why would Patsy have supported John's contention that calling 911 was his idea and that she agreed and then made the call? Doesn't this contradict the theory that they would not have made that call at that time if they were in it together? On another occasion, during the filming of the A&E documentary about the case, she provided a different version, implying that the call was her idea. So one of these versions isn't true. Whywould she purposely lie if she were innocent?

2. Why would Patsy have supported John's absurd story about breaking the window the previous summer, claiming she cleaned up all the glass, assisted by Linda the housekeeper? Since Linda denied knowing anything about any broken window, it looks as though Patsy lied. Why would she have done that if she and John weren't in it together?

3. Why would Patsy have echoed John's absurd contention that he couldn't recall whether or not that window had ever been repaired? She too couldn't recall, it seems. Obviously both are lying, but why would she have wanted to lie if she were innocent?

4. If Patsy were innocent, as I feel sure she was, then why would she have never become suspicious of John, always insisting that she never had any doubts regarding his innocence?

It's puzzles such as this that make this case so fascinating. Indeed on the surface it appears to be an impenetrable mystery.

To penetrate the mystery and explain such apparent contradictions, it is necessary to return to the first few days after the murder, when "the Ramseys" were refusing to be questioned separately by the investigators. And it's important to realize that we are not really at this point dealing with "the Ramseys," because there was a huge difference in mental state between John and Patsy at that time. Patsy was in a state of almost total collapse, hardly able to lift herself off of her bed and unable to speak coherently. This was partly due, no doubt, to the shock of losing her beloved daughter in such a violent manner, but was also due to her continually being fed, possibly for weeks at a time, various medications that would have not only tranquilized her but also kept her in a state of confusion.

So when we read that "the Ramseys" were being uncooperative during those first few days and weeks, then what we are really talking about is John Ramsey and his legal team. It was in fact John and his lawyers, and not "the Ramseys" that refused to be interrogated, and continued to refuse for months. As I stated earlier, if John and Patsy had been in it together there would be no need for such a long delay, as they could have got their story straight from the beginning. And if Patsy had been involved in her daughter's murder she would have been faking all that distress and would have been perfectly capable of "cooperating fully" with the authorities.

On the other hand, if Patsy were innocent and John was the guilty party, there is no way he'd have wanted her to be questioned separately, since she might say something that might make him sound suspicious. She might, for instance, describe their disagreement over whether or not to call the police. She might reveal that John insisted that they not make that call, and tried to prevent her from making it, and that she suddenly ran downstairs while he was distracted and made the call despite him, which would be consistent with the version she provided in the documentary.

Also Patsy might have innocently informed the police that she too, like the housekeeper, knew nothing about any broken window, thus calling into very serious question his story about having broken it the previous summer.

So if you are looking for some reason why "the Ramseys" stalled the police for so long, there's your answer. What other reason could there have been -- if they'd been in it together? And if you want to argue that John is the innocent party, and Patsy did it all on her own, I'm sorry, but at this point it is John and the lawyers who are calling the shots, not Patsy, who's lying prone on her bed, in a state of collapse, according to the testimony of all her family and friends.

What's seems clear to me is that John needed to buy time to convince Patsy that it was in the interest of both of them that she tell some "white lies" about what happened that night and what happened the previous summer. And what enabled him to convince her to do that without raising her suspicions was the same thing that has convinced so many for so long that John could not have done it all on his own: the decision by all those "experts" to rule him out as writer of the note. If Patsy was innocent then she knew very well that she didn't write the note. And if during the period when she was emerging from her fog, she was informed that John could not have written it, then she would have had no reason to suspect anyone but that mysterious, inscrutable intruder. She never suspected John simply because she accepted what everyone else has accepted: that John could not have written the note. And under those circumstances it would have been easy for John, and his lawyers, to manipulate her into supporting his version of what happened, both on the morning after the crime and the previous summer. And why she always steadfastly "stood by her man" through thick and thin until the day she died.

As I wrote in an earlier post, "if she had expressed any suspicions, he could have responded more or less as follows:

Look, the experts ruled me out, so you know I couldn't have written the note. You know very well you didn't write it.  Which means an intruder must have gotten in, murdered JonBenet and written the note. If you bring up any of this stuff with the police all it will do is make us both look more suspicious than we already look. We have to stay on the same page. You have to support my version of what happened, or we are both in trouble."
By the time of their first police interview, John and his lawyers would have had lots of time to work on Patsy to make sure she understood exactly what she should say and what she shouldn't say. Which imo is why she acts so confused at times and why her testimony at certain points sounds so suspicious. She is trying hard to do what she was told, convinced that the police are "out to get" both of them, and will take advantage if she isn't careful. The fact that John was ruled out and she was not is also a factor, making her especially vulnerable and consequently easy to manipulate.

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  1. Spot on, IMO, and let's not forget that Det. Arndt supposedly shared some private time with Patsy as she neared death, and is rumored to have received some information from Patsy that has to be very guarded. Except, Ms. Arndt did do that interview not long back in which she clearly pegs John.

    After reading JR's "Other Side of Suffering", I am even more convinced he is a very sick man -- that there is nothing he would not have done or would be capable of doing to keep himself in a positive position of public admiration.

    The one thing having gone back and forth through the blog regarding the choice of method and materials for the RN that is a simple answer for me, is that using the household paper and pen, it was part of the "business man's preparedness" of having Plan B - along with the statement he made on Dec. 26 - "it has to be an inside job", If something went awry, and JR could not dispose of JB's body, for which the note easily allowed the time if "tomorrow" would have been rightfully identified as the 27th, Plan B was to be able to pin it on Patsy.

    JR knew the odds of Patsy's cancer coming back with a vengeance to claim her, and there was documented information from an inside acquaintance(s) that the Ramsey's personal physical and emotional life was on a downward spiral from the time following the first round with PR's ovarian cancer. Setting up Patsy would have been just another one of JR's necessary concessions to save himself, no doubt in my mind.

    A thorough, independent new study of JR's handwriting exemplars, his "Johnisms", and even his now revealed penchant for writing (as demonstrated in his books), could, IMO, shed some very damaging light on him as the killer of JB.

    MWMM

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    1. Thanks MWMM. We're mostly on the same page, but I guess we can also agree to disagree about John wanting to set Patsy up. As I see it, he needed her full cooperation and support, which he could have lost if she decided he might be trying to frame her.

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    2. As you pointed out, PR was medicated and kept relatively managed in the early months - living with the Stines allowed JR to keep pretty close tabs on PR's pulse through the watchful eyes of her "bulldog" Susan Stine. They all played games with police, media and other friends in those early months as they worked very hard to keep themselves sequestered from the public eye. If Patsy would have begun to think JR the culprit, and possibly trying to frame her, he'd have probably known about it and figured out a way to circumvent it, even before Patsy would realize she was becoming transparent.

      IMO Patsy would never have picked up on JR trying to frame her. She had a blind eye to his manipulation, plus the "expert" opinion that JR did not write the note. Then all he had to do was make her think they'd be coming after her, so she'd better stick like glue to whatever he thought best they say to the police and public. Did you ever see that photo of her with her arms around his neck from over his back and her dreamy smile, with him sitting oh so, "Yep, she sure loves me" look? I think he might have been able to convince her there was a man in the moon.

      Let's not forget that Lou Smit came along also and relieved JR of any pressure having to work extra hard to throw LE, and anyone else for that matter, off their trail by introducing the intruder theory. That, IMO, quickly replaced JR's Plan B of having to pin it on Patsy, and once again made him look even more the hero for his unshakable attachment to Patsy, even when she was beginning to become the favorite in the public eye for having killed her daughter.

      MWMM

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    3. What you say makes sense, MWMM, but only up to a point. I remain skeptical because 1. I don't see what John would have had to gain by framing Patsy, and if he succeeded in framing her and she were put on trial then all sorts of secrets might have been revealed that he certainly would not want known -- such as the fact that the 911 call was her idea and not his; 2. unlike so many others, I see little resemblance between Patsy's handwriting and that on the note -- see, for example, the comparisons on this post and the one that follows: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2013/02/patsys-left-hand-sample-revisited.html

      If John were trying to frame Patsy I think he could have done a much better job of making it look like her handwriting. The "matches" found by Darnay's experts don't impress me. If you read my analysis of their reports you'll see why.

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    4. I was wondering how you explain that the DNA cleared the Ramsey's. How does that fit in to your theory? I think they are guilty but would like to know how you think it fits in?

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    5. When Patsy made the 911 call, Burke could be heard in the background so how did she go downstairs without John's knowledge?

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    6. Very simply, you cannot make a case for an "intruder" based solely on some unidentified bits of DNA. According to Kolar's book, unidentified DNA from several different sources was found on her body or clothing. And that's to be expected, because anytime we come into contact with another person or in fact any object that's been handled by another person, there is going to be a transfer of DNA. The transfer will probably be miniscule, but the techniques that were used to find the DNA on JonBenet's clothing were specifically designed to extract miniscule bits and pieces that would ordinarily be overlooked.

      The fact that some of these fragments were consistent with fragments found earlier, mixed with the victim's DNA in her blood, means little, since such fragments could easily have been transferred from her clothing to her crotch by JonBenet herself.

      The bottom line: if she had been attacked by an intruder not wearing gloves, his "touch" DNA would have been all over her and all over the crime scene, including the cord used to strangle her. And complex, sophisticated methods would not have been needed to find it. And if he were wearing gloves, then none of his DNA at all would have been found.

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    7. "When Patsy made the 911 call, Burke could be heard in the background so how did she go downstairs without John's knowledge?"

      First of all: I've listened to that recording several times, both with and without audio enhancement, and I've never heard anything on it that remotely sounds like Burke, or John or anyone else, other than Patsy and the 911 operator. I think that theory is a myth.

      Secondly, Patsy herself stated, in the A&E documentary, that she told John she was going to call the police and that she went downstairs to make the call while John was upstairs checking on Burke.

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    8. WATCH THIS: PSYCHOPATH "PASTOR" BOB HATES THIS VIDEO....that's why he ORGANIZED DYLAN REDWINE'S ABDUCTION & MURDER
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      Bob' ShadowGov "Small Foreign Faction" is responsible for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey in 1996.
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      **DOCUMENT DUMP TIME**
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      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART ADAMS COUNTY CHILD ABUSE/DIVORCE RECORD: (http://url.ie/igt1)

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      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART DENVER CRIMINAL RECORD: (http://url.ie/igt3)

      SEE-- Robert "Bob" Adolph Enyart Child Abuse Presentence Report Case ‪#‎94M2658‬ Jefferson County CO 4/27/95: (http://url.ie/ipsa)

      ALL ENYART RECORDS: (http://url.ie/igt5)

      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART et al -- Timeline -- 1987-Present by Curtis Kekoa III (Given to Boulder PD October 2012): (http://url.ie/ipsb)

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    9. WATCH THIS: PSYCHOPATH "PASTOR" BOB HATES THIS VIDEO....that's why he ORGANIZED DYLAN REDWINE'S ABDUCTION & MURDER & GOT AUSTIN REED SIGG TO CONFESS! *WANTED* "Pastor" Bob Adolph Enyart LIES - Jessica Ridgeway's Murder - FBI is COMING! => http://youtu.be/-fH_2g9Xjbw

      Bob' ShadowGov "Small Foreign Faction" is responsible for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey in 1996.
      www.BobEnyartMurderedJonBenetRamsey.com

      **DOCUMENT DUMP TIME**
      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART ARREST RECORD: (http://url.ie/igt6)

      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART CRIMINAL RECORDS: (http://url.ie/igsz)

      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART JEFFCO CHILD ABUSE RECORD: (http://url.ie/igt0)

      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART ADAMS COUNTY CHILD ABUSE/DIVORCE RECORD: (http://url.ie/igt1)

      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART EL PASO COUNTY CHILD ABUSE RECORD: (http://url.ie/igt2)

      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART DENVER CRIMINAL RECORD: (http://url.ie/igt3)

      SEE-- Robert "Bob" Adolph Enyart Child Abuse Presentence Report Case ‪#‎94M2658‬ Jefferson County CO 4/27/95: (http://url.ie/ipsa)

      ALL ENYART RECORDS: (http://url.ie/igt5)

      ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART et al -- Timeline -- 1987-Present by Curtis Kekoa III (Given to Boulder PD October 2012): (http://url.ie/ipsb)

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    10. GOT PROOF? POLICE RECORDINGS with the KEKOAS
      www.PoliceRecordingsKekoas.blogspot.com

      The 17 yr-old boy AUSTIN REED SIGG DID NOT ACT ALONE! TWICE CONVICTED CHILD-ABUSER ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART ORGANIZED THE CONSPIRACY TO KIDNAP & KILL JESSICA RIDGEWAY. The JonBenet Ramsey Murderer has returned...Call BOB ENYART LIES & ask him why 1-800-8-ENYART

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      POLICE RECORDINGS with the KEKOAS BEFORE AUSTIN REED SIGG CONFESSED!

       *TO THIS DATE, OCTOBER 2013 THE POLICE HAVE NOT FOLLOWED UP ON THESE TIPS, LET ALONE CLEAR THESE "GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS" AS SUSPECTS SO THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY CONTINUES!

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    11. From the Legend Detective on the Ramsey murder case -
      > *CNN TRANSCRIPTS with LOU SMIT on Larry King Live May 28, 2001: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0105/28/lkl.00.html

      The JonBenet Ramsey murderer has returned & this "EXPERIENCED & SKILLED" Child-Predator is Still Out There Lurking in the Shadows = ROBERT ADOLPH ENYART:
      > “The person I see doing this is a very vicious, brutal criminal, perhaps a sadistic pedophile. Never recorded history where a family member -- a mother or a father has garroted their child. Child strangulation is very rare. Usually when a person is involved in the death of their child, the child is hit on the head or pushed into something, to take -- to take a piece of rope, fashion a garrote, put it on the child's neck, she is definitely struggling at the time that this is put on the neck, there are fingernail marks in her neck, which suggest very strongly, that she was awake, when this happened. But what I see in this crime is not an accidental murder. This is not a little doink on the head, and I think I killed my daughter, so I'm go going into this massive staging. I see a brutal first-degree murder. I see a very violent death of JonBenet. I see someone fashioning a garrote and putting it around her neck. I see someone tightening that garrote to control her. I see someone taking that handle and pulling it very violently tight and killing her. Whoever killed JonBenet is a criminal who knows these things. There is nothing in the background of the Ramseys to indicate any type of psychological problems, any type of anger that would be directed toward their daughter. There is just no background which suggests that the Ramseys would even know how to do these things...Take a real close look at that ransom note. That ransom note is full of violence. It tells exactly what this person's going to do to JonBenet if everything doesn't go exactly right. Many references to death and dying. She'll be 'beheaded'...Her remains will 'be denied you for her burial.'...All violent references to the death of JonBenet. The person who killed JonBenet had it in his mind that if anything went wrong, he was going to kill her, and he did... But I will tell you this: When we find who murdered JonBenet, and when we look into his background, we're going to find many more crimes he has committed.”

      www.BobEnyartMurderedJonBenetRamsey.com

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    12. Lou Smit started as a detective investigating the case and wound up as a Ramsey advocate. His view of the case is outrageously skewed and can't be taken seriously, for reasons I've outlined here: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-lou-smit-show.html

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    13. Listen to JonBenet's killers continue to falsely accuse the Ramsey's on his radio show Bob Enyart LIES - 1-800-8ENYART - *Of O.J & Jon Benet: Bob and Doug discuss the continuing political co-opting of liberal reporters by politicians since they burned O.J. Simpson, and the embarrassing “journalism” of Nancy Grace, Geraldo Rivera (and others) as they erroneously report a mystical "3rd party" mentioned in the indictment of John & Patsy Ramsey for the death of 6 year old Jon Benet. And the indictment does not undermine Bob’s theory of the clue that breaks the case!
      *KGOV: http://kgov.com/bel/20131028

      "If the whole truth could be discerned, it would explain every piece of evidence, because real events produced every bit of the crime scene. Sometimes, a single key opens many doors, and one piece pulls the puzzle together. JonBenet’s murderer inadvertently put the key piece of evidence into the ransom note." - ShadowGov.com "Small Foreign Faction" founder pastor Bob Enyart, TWICE CONVICTED CHILD ABUSER!

      "...One form of destructive behavior led to another and at midnight, in a burst of anger and emotion, Enyart struck the Ramsey's daughter in the head, cracking her skull. They realized the severity of the wound, and that JonBenet was near dead....Unidentifiable DNA material was beneath her fingernails. An unidentifiable palm print of unknown age was on the wine cellar door. The panties on her body were too large for JonBenet and contained a stain that DNA could not link to any house member..."

      "VICTORY, S.B.T.C" = *Strangle Bind Torture Children* & Shadowgov Breaks The Case

      www.BobEnyartMurderedJonBenetRamsey.com

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    14. Enyart's scenario seems rather incoherent to me, and contains some factual errors. On the other hand, I've never seen any evidence that suggests he could have been involved.

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    15. Q: Why won't Enyart clear his name and offer a DNA test?

      A: Cause Bob Enyart left his DNA on JonBenet. Call him and ask why he won't sue the shit outta us. 1-800-8ENYART

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    16. When History Repeats Itself, Will We Notice?  Watch new video by Chess Versus Checkers here => http://youtu.be/MTuRTPtPetw 

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      "VICTORY, S.B.T.C" = *Strangle Bind Torture Children* & Shadowgov Breaks The Case

      Psalm 118:27 "Bind the sacrifice with cords to the horns of the altar."

      "When the suspect's background, post-murder behavior, and physical evidence are put together, the identity of this monster will be clear to someone who knows him." ~ The Ramseys

      ...AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO THAT MONSTER IS = *R*O*B*E*R*T *A*D*O*L*P*H *E*N*Y*A*R*T = *6*6*6* = *DAXIS* = *SON of SATAN* waiting for the "Small Foreign Faction" DNA Secrets to be Revealed & Justice to be served to the "Group of Individuals" responsible for this notorious crime and many more crimes against children.

      THE WORLD'S MOST EVIL SERIAL CHILD- KILLER is ShadowGov Founder: "Pastor" Bob Adolph Enyart of Denver Bible Cult in Arvada, CO 
      DOB: 1-10-59 | FBI# - 678532LA7 | CO License# - CO368941 | SSN# 152-60-4382

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    17. POLICE CONTACTS who know about Serial Child Killers in CO - CRIMINAL SUSPECTS: 2X convicted child-abuser Robert Adolph Enyart, domestic terrorist Kenneth Tyler Scott, clinically ill co-conspirator Kimberly Kay Bowman & dirty deputy Gordon Carroll from
      Arapahoe Sheriff's K-9 unit.

      Contact Lt. Travis Stewart:Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office Internal Affairs: 720-847-4112

      Listen to recordings about Dirty deputy Gordon Carroll
      PT 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iCW2NQAGl8Y

      PT 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1Z_0RwvyT7M

      Ask the cops why they haven't followed up on these tips:
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      - WestminsterPD Detective Dave Galbraith: 303-658-4234
      - BoulderPD Detective Foster: 303-441-4329
      - BoulderPD Chief Beckner & Commander Stewart: 303-441-3300 or 303-442-3333
      - LaPlata County Sheriff's Detective Tom Cowing: 970-382-7045 or 970-382-7015
      - NorthglennPD Officer DiGiovanni: 303-450-8892 ext. 8341
      - NorthglennPD Officer J. Burke: 303-450-8892 ext. 8449
      (Kekoa's Case# in Northglenn: #156CN12001721)

      - Contact Arapahoe County DA George Brauchler who prosecuted "pastor" Bob Enyart for child abuse in 1999. Brauchler's contact info is: 720-874-8500

      GOT PROOF? Listen to dozens of recordings with the police:
      www.PoliceRecordingsKekoas.blogspot.com

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      For more info visit the websites religious psychopath Bob can't do anything about:
      www.BobEnyartMurderedJonBenetRamsey.com
      www.PoliceRecordingsKekoas.com

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  2. I tend to split the difference between Doc and MWM. I don't think JR set up PR in advance, but I do think PR at least had suspicions and quite possibly had it figured out before she died.

    For example, she obviously didn't know about the size 12s, otherwise she could have told a better story about them. If JR acted alone (and I agree with Doc that he did) then he couldn't "know" any more than PR about the size 12s, so couldn't give her any tips on what to say to the police. If they were in on it together (and they were not) then they would have probably not used the size 12s to begin with, and if they did PR would not have said the 12s were in the drawer when they were not. It's things like this that must have got her thinking and wondering if JR had done it.

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    1. I admire your analysis -- but I don't think Patsy had a particularly analytical mind. I think she became convinced very early on that it had to have been an intruder. So the redressing in the size 12s would, in her mind, have just been something that mysterious person decided to do, for whatever reason.

      Because she was so vulnerable, because John and his lawyers were her staunch defenders, she would have wanted desperately to believe whatever he told her, no matter how illogical or suspicious it might seem. And the fact that he'd been ruled out would have made it impossible for her to go to the authorities with any suspicions she might have had. They wouldn't have believed her because John "could not have written" the note.

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    2. She may not have been very analytical, but she joins JR in the story about the window, and she'd know that he never broke in that way, and that the window was never broken before that night. She'd have to wonder why JR is telling this story.

      It's easy to see why JR tells the story to police; it prevents them from putting 2 and 2 together and realizing he was in the midst of staging the window as a break-in scene.

      It's easy to see PR going along with IDI, up to a point. She doesn't want to believe it was her husband who killed her daughter, and by the time she comes out of her drug induced haze JR has been "ruled out" as writer of the RN. IDI makes sense to her. She knows she didn't do it, and she knows BR didn't. If JR wasn't the RN author, then what's left? IDI.

      However, it's not easy, at least for me, to see how PR could fail to question JR's motives for telling the porky about the window. She'd know it to be a lie. It's more than something she's unclear about, it's an out and out lie, and she knows it.

      As far as I can see these are our alternatives wrt to PR's knowledge of the window;

      1. The window really was broken earlier, so PR isn't lying, and she can still think IDI. That means LHP either lied, or simply had forgotten about cleaning up the glass. IMO it's unlikely LHP lied about it, there being no advantage to her. With all the duties of a housekeeper, and all the messes she cleaned up, I suppose it's possible she forgot, but I regard that as unlikely.

      2. PR has to develop suspicions when she first learns of JR's "break in" story. (It's not clear, to me, whether she learns of that story prior to the police interviews, or if it comes as a complete surprise during the interviews) She is questioned about the window, and agrees JR broke it even going so far as to claim to have personally cleaned up some of the glass. She's in on the lie, fabricating her own addition to the lie -e.g. she cleaned up the glass and told LHP to clean up. This is not a situation where she goes along unwittingly believing something she's failed to examine closely. She is an active participant in the lie. I don't see how she could fail to ask herself why JR was lying about the window. I don't see how she could fail to have suspicions at this point.


      Additionally, she contributes to the story, so it seems either she's telling what she knows to be true, or she has been prepped for this question. (But I'd note she had not been prepped for the size 12 question) Also she fails to recall, as does JR, whether or not the window was ever repaired, which I find unbelievable.

      I'm going to have to mull over the whole window business for a while.

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    3. Good post. Everything you've written makes sense.

      However, and I'll repeat this as often as I need to: if John and Patsy were in it together, the 911 call would never have been made while the body was still in the house. It's really that simple! I realize it's hard to accept that Patsy would have lied if she were not a part of the crime or coverup, but there you have it. There is NO WAY she'd have agreed to make that call if she were involved and knew the note was a fake.

      And don't forget. It took months before "the Ramseys" agreed to be interviewed by the authorities. What do you think was going on during that time? It's obvious to me that John and his lawyers needed those months to work on Patsy, to literally wear her down, out of fear she'd say something that could spill the beans.

      What I think John would have said would be something like this:
      "Yes I lied about breaking the window earlier. The police are convinced we killed JonBenet and if I hadn't told that story they'd have suspected us of staging a breakin at that window the night of the crime. You know and I know that the window was broken by the intruder -- but they are refusing to accept that because they are out to get both of us. And now they've become convinced that YOU are the one who wrote that note. So if we aren't on the same page, and start contradicting each other, that will only confirm their suspicions. For both our sakes, I need you to back me up on this."

      Now consider what Patsy's options would have been. If she suspected John and insisted on telling the police she knew nothing about any broken window that would be the equivalent of accusing John of lying. Their united front would have been broken. And if John had stuck to his story, then who do you think they'd have believed? John, who'd been given a "pass" thanks to being ruled out. Or Patsy, who by then everyone suspected of having written the note?

      So, regardless of whether or not Patsy suspected him, she'd really have had no choice but to go along with whatever he wanted her to do or say.

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  3. I didn't mean I was reconsidering the whole theory. The RN exists to explain JB's disappearance. The original plan had to include getting rid of the body. If PR were in on it with JR she'd never have called the police with the body in the house.

    Unfortunately I saw your post http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-basement-window-part-4.html after I posted.

    It pretty well explains why PR would go along. The only thing I'm wondering is how "in the dark" was PR, vs. how coerced was she? She'd have to be asking herself some questions, I'd think, so there might have been a fair amount of coercion here. Something along the lines of "You play ball or you'll be fed to the wolves". I guess we'll never really know.

    At any rate you've answered this question.

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    1. Hi Chris. You ask a fascinating question. Imo the best course for John to have taken would have been to just be very patient with her, not push her too hard, and if she showed any signs of suspicion just keep reminding her that he couldn't have written the note. People tend to believe what they want to believe and she certainly wanted to believe in that intruder. So my guess is that she'd have put any suspicious thoughts out of her mind and followed John's lead. I could be wrong. It's possible she had serious doubts. But I never noticed any sign of that in her demeanor.

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  4. OK, I'm confused. If JR broke the window in an effort to stage the scene, why wouldn't he just leave it and deny that it was ever broken before (which it wasn't, imo, after reading all your blogs regarding this subject --- JR's poor recollection of how he entered that window is a joke). Wouldn't it be better to leave that part of the staging intact than to cover it up? Wouldn't the police then lean more towards an intruder having broken the window? Why, oh, why would JR feel the need to cover that staging up?

    OK, the body was still in the house. So what? Years ago when I first started following this case, I actually was convinced that is WAS a kidnapping gone wrong. Perhaps the RN was written while JB was tied up and unable to scream (duct tape) and then, after the note was written, the intruder decided to molest her, only ending up in a bad scene (who knows what) and the intruder decided to just kill her and get out of the house, leaving the note behind.

    Don't get me wrong. You have me convinced that JR is the perpetrator and I am especially convinced that he wrote the PR., but I'm only suggesting the above scenario as one that would explain her body left in the house. If JR needed more time to remove the body but didn't get that chance, what difference would the broken window make? I believe that's exactly what led many people to think it was a kidnapping gone wrong.

    It certainly seems like it would be easier for him to just deny knowing anything about the broken window (thus pointing more to an intruder) rather than coming up with such a pitiful story about how he broke it himself some summer ago and lowered his half naked body through it upside down (or was that right side up??)

    DocG . . . please clear this point for me. Thank you. Love your work here.

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    1. While it's hard to believe John would want to spoil his staging by making up a story about breaking in himself earlier, we must remember that, if all had gone according to plan, he'd have had the rest of the day and at least some of the following night to complete that task. He would have needed to actually get into the window well and squeeze through the window, which clearly he did not have a chance to do the night of the crime.

      It's possible that, at first, he may have hoped the police would buy his staged breakin anyhow, but when it became clear they were not about to accept it, and were concluding there were no signs of a forced breakin, he would have realized that the broken window would be seen by them for what it actually was: staging.

      Once it became clear that the window break was staged, it would be obvious this was an inside job, and both John and Patsy would have been arrested on the spot. John's improvised story about breaking in earlier was truly a master stroke of misdirection and worked beautifully to confuse the investigators. Because they asked the same question you just asked: "If "the Ramseys" had staged that window break, why would they undercut their staging by making up a story about breaking in earlier?"

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    2. As far as leaving both the body and the note in the house, you are right, it's still possible to argue that a real kidnapper may have veered away from his original plan, gotten confused, and forgotten to take the note with him. But that doesn't explain why he wouldn't have come prepared with a note in the first place, or why he would take the time to write such a long, detailed note while in the house if he were planning to follow with a phone call. It also doesn't explain the lack of any decisive evidence of his presence in the house. Nor does it explain why he'd have wanted to hide the body of his victim in the most remote spot in the house. Or why he'd have bothered to redress his victim in fresh panties. Etc.

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  6. Hi DocG -

    I totally agree with your logic and your theory of who committed this crime. And yet from time to time I get chills when I remember one small detail that throws doubt on the JDI theory for me, for a split-second every time, and for a reason I haven't seen discussed much anywhere. That is JBR insisting to her friends that Santa was going to pay her a post-Christmas visit in secret.

    The reason this gives me a chill, and a doubt, is that the intruder could have simply and easily been let into the house by JBR herself, while everyone else slept, as part of a secret appointment. Thus the pinneapple and tea being shared convivially together, whispering, quietly, and perhaps then JBR herself guiding "Santa" to the Christmas tree and gift storage room, where indeed she was supposedly found. The intruder may have been careful not to leave prints and could have left by a door with no forced or contorted entry/exit necessary. I am not saying this "santa" would have been Bill McR, or anyone in particular...who knows.

    Now, I don't really think this sways your sound arguments, and the ludicrousness of this Santa penning a ransom note would have to be a strong argument against the possibility. Of course, he might have written the note before killing her, thinking he would abduct her, only to sadistically lose control and murder her right in the house shortly afterward, but then he wouldn't leave the note behind...so it would be an absurdly unlikely concatenation of circumstances and actions, only possible if he were truly just bizarrely nuts. I am not, on the whole, dissuaded from thinking John did it just by my own Santa-scenario-spinning. But yet that "Santa appointment" JBR insisted upon always comes back and chills me!

    My question for you is, why does no one ever discuss JBR as an obvious means of entry for an intruder? A key or a broken window would not have been necessary if she was at all like me and my friends when we were kids -

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    1. You make an excellent point. And yes, I've considered that possibility. I've also considered the possibility that Burke could have opened the door for a "friend" and the two of them could have killed JonBenet, with the friend writing the note to get Burke off the hook. But when you get more deeply into the facts of this case an intruder of any kind makes no sense.

      For example, such an intruder doesn't explain the inordinate length of the note or the fact that the note just "happened" to work so well as an excuse to not call the police and as an excuse for someone dumping the body while claiming to be delivering the "ransom." It also doesn't explain what this "Santa" felt he had to gain by writing such a note and leaving it but not taking the body of his victim with him. Some "Santa" out to "get" the Ramsey family, or someone who simply lost it and raped and murdered their daughter would have had no reason to write a ransom note. And if he were a friend of Burke's covering for him the note would have been short and to the point, not 2 1/2 pages long. And someone entering the house with the intention of kidnapping her would have done so, not hidden the body in the basement.

      It also doesn't explain the scene at the basement window, i.e., the suitcase flush with the wall and the packing peanuts from the window well strewn over the floor. Nor can such an intruder explain why John lied so blatantly about breaking that window earlier or why neither he nor Patsy could recall whether or not it had ever been repaired.

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  7. DocG,
    I was looking over the ransom note and it reminded me of my own dabbling with calligraphy/ forgery as a youth. This was pre-internet and so when I needed inspiration to create a new alphabet I would collect writing samples from family members. This is the only way to create a new writing style quickly from scratch. If your theory is correct, John would have needed inspiration from some written material physically printed in the household. Has anyone specifically compared the stroke pattern (not the spacing, inclination, or pressure) of Patsy's writing with the ransom note? -Nira

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    1. You make an excellent point. It looks to me as though John did use such a model, not from anything printed in the house, but from a computer font. For the details, see http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/08/ruled-out-part-3-courier-new.html

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  8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aly2fPK-XE look at this interview of the first detective on scene. it is very telling.. I believe it directs suspicion toward Patsy and John. Clue #1 at 3:36-4:00.....shows everyone was waiting for the kidnappers too call...no one became concerned about the 10:00 am deadline going and passing...would not the parents who read the ransom be the first to say something?
    Clue #2 at 4:45....prior to 1:01 p.m. house was searched by a patrolman before the detective.... did hiding the body in the deepest part of the basement serve its purpose when the patrolman did not discover the girl?
    Clue#3 4:45-5:00 detective asked JR and his friend Fleet White to search the house..This is important because they go and search willingly even though JR knows the ransom note said his child was kidnapped. Why didn't JR mention the house was already searched by a patrolman previously. Its 1:00 p.m
    Clue 4 5:03-5:11 detective said JR went straight to the basement but yet hear Fleet White(JR friend) scream for an ambulance..Why didn't JR scream for an ambulance?(maybe from someones perspective the girl was known dead) Who discovered the body first?
    Clue 5 6:11-6:19 JR asks the detective "Is she dead?".. Very strange question to ask from a father who just found supposedly his daughters motionless body for the first time.Still no panicky from JR....no screaming for the ambulance....no desire to reject the unthinkable that daughter is dead..(my own perspective: iF i had found for the first time my daughters body I would have grabbed her and ran up the stairs and screamed for the ambulance.. i would never lean over calmy and say is she dead. i would be in shock and be trying to save her...last thing on my mind is that she is dead....I WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT!!!!!!
    Clue 6 8:22-8:59 detective hears in the backroom PR give out a gutterly moan aching wail and then her and friends start coming into the living room where the body is....this is DAMNING OF PR How so? IF you truly have not seen your child for over 12 hours and truly believe the child was kidnapped and alive as reported in the ransom note....what would you do if someone just told you that they found your child in the house and is dead???? Would you not go into shock and act frantically and run to your child....Would you not be in disbelief.....Would not a parent just knowing a few moments ago your child is kidnapped , been harboring an intense desire to see their child again.. leap and run when they said they found your child??

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    1. I try to avoid psychological interpretations of people's behavior unless they have a direct bearing on the case. Many people have speculated about all sorts of things that Patsy or John or Burke did or said and the interpretations are all over the place. What convinces me that there was no intruder is the absurdity of that theory, i.e., the complete unlikelihood that any intruder would do all that was done. While the behavior of both John and Patsy has been seen as betraying guilt, as far as I'm concerned such interpretations are unreliable and I try to avoid them unless, as I say, they have some direct bearing on the case.

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  9. Whats your thoughts on the theory that person A in a fit of rage fatally wounded the child and then person B who was secretly molesting the child helped to protect person A by covering up the death. Person B decided to engage secretly without person A knowledge to get one last thrill, possibly engage in necrophilia under the pretense that person B was hiding the body. Basically 2 guilty partys with person a not knowing person B's guilt.
    I believe the ransom note was just a ploy to create misdirection and allow many people to come and go to contaminate the house. The mastermind has some knowledge of police procedure and familiar with crime cases and was trying to use the way cops conduct affairs to their advantage. look at this link>>> http://www.acandyrose.com/s-john-andrew-ramsey.htm scroll down to heading "Chain of events 1999" john andrew the son of John ramsey saidHe said his father had arranged to meet him and his sister in Minneapolis at about 10:30 A.M. on December 26, and from there they would all continue to the house in Charlevoix, Michigan.
    Ransom note said a phone call will come between 8:00 and 10:00 a.m. obviously the ramseys were not going to leave awaiting for that ransom phone call. http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682461/December%2026 <<< this link shows a lot of police activity at ramseys house in the early morning but it tapers amazingly until only 1 detective is left in the whole house... this plays into the strategy in waiting the cops out cause cops dont hang around when considering its a kidnapping case. problem was it was 1:00 p.m. and a cop was still in the house..i think person B wanted to leave for michigan with person A when al the cops had left and then come back alone and dispose body. Person B panicked and revealed the body knowing the plan was not working and worried about cadaver dogs or a decomposing smell. It would be very suspicous to ask the cops to leave

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    1. This is a very convoluted and confusing theory that doesn't seem supported by much real evidence. Tell me who person A and person B are supposed to be and I'll think more about it.

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  10. i think the whole house should be searched every fiber of it... did they ever check the safe hidden in the basement? Did they ever check the fireplace for anything that could have been burned? every sick pervert has a secret stash...so where is it hidden....all the mags and souveniours

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    1. The house was pretty thoroughly searched, as I understand it. So was John's computer (or computers). He doesn't seem to have been interested in porn, child or otherwise. (On the other hand, he did recently marry a woman whose job it is to design costumes for Vegas showgirls.)

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  11. All along I believed the mastermind of this sick monstrous act is an arrogant prick. He purposeful left clues that led to other ones besides himself to confuse cops.For example, the glass with a teabag in it next to the unusually large bowl of pineapples; Knowing only Burke drinks tea in the house. His son, John Andrew, suitcase in the basement with a Dr. Seuss book, pillow, and quilt. Patsy's paintbrush used in the strangling device, her pen to write the ransom note, her pad in which the ransom note was written on. The home security was turned off to make an illusion of easy access to the house. The end of the ransom letter had this acronym:[ S.B.T.C followed by the word 'Victory'] JR worked at the naval base 'Subic Bay Training Center' which was located in the Philippines. S.B.T.C matches up with the JR's former work place. So what about the word 'Victory'? Did you know that in the Philippines there is a charter bus company called...you guessed it..'Victory Liner Inc.' and they happen to operate in the Subic Bay port....how convenient!!! http://www.victoryliner.com/ go to this website and click on the tab that says 'Company History'. Scroll down and look how they came up with the name of their company. The name adopted by Jose for his new business was inspired by the triumphant Americans who made “Victory” a household word after the war. American coins used as legal tender during the liberation and occupation bore the word “Victory.” As the Americans walked the streets of war-torn Manila, the Filipinos displayed a V-sign with their fingers and cheered on the Americans, saying, “Victory! Victory! Victory!” Thus the name Victory Liner reflected the strong emotions of Filipinos at that time. Who wrote the ransom letter was very familiar with the history of the Philippines.

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    1. I doubt John would have been interested in planting clues pointing to others in the house, especially since he'd been going to so much trouble to stage an intruder from outside the house. He just used things that weren't associated with him.

      What you say about Subic Bay and the Philippines is very interesting. While there was apparently no such thing as the Subic Bay Training Center, a photo of his Subic Bay unit was displayed in the house, so it does seem likely John was trying to construct an intruder who knew him from Subic Bay and resented him for some reason. Your interpretation of the word "Victory" makes some sense in that regard. Good!

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    2. http://www.aboamare.fi/simulators/subic-bay/ you say there is no such thing as the Subic Bay Training center?

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    3. Very interesting! Thanks! The assumption was that it would have to be a naval training center, but this is a private one, apparently. How it could be linked to John I'm not sure.

      I, like everyone else, am curious to learn what S. B. T. C might mean. But I don't see it as a meaningful clue, because it doesn't really have to mean anything. It was just something John tossed into the mix to make his note look like the real thing. It's possible S. B. T. C was intended simply to be the initials of the "foreign faction" members. It has now become all things to all people. But we'll never know what's behind it until John confesses.

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  12. Hey, love your thoughts on this case. When John Mark Karr was arrested I remember the media saying that he knew specific things about the case that nobody else knew. Was that just the media speculating?

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    1. JMK had a pretty good knowledge of the case, but you have to remember that he corresponded with Michael Tracey for some time. Tracey, as the director of a documentary on the case, was very knowledgeable and may have let some things slip. Also by the time Karr was being detained an awful lot was known to those of us who follow the case closely. In fact I'd guess there were some things some of the people on the forums were aware of that some on the investigation team didn't know, or were hazy on.

      But Karr gave himself away when he claimed he'd entered and left via the basement window, which would not have been possible without leaving clear indications that someone had squeezed through it. Also, he never explained, and never could explain, what the ransom note was all about, or why he bothered to write one at all, given his story, which is about a sexual encounter and not an attempted kidnapping.

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  13. 1. Do you believe that JR has used his considerable wealth to 'influence' various people's 'opinions' on the possible murderer/s, be they investigators, media people, crime-writers, or even psychics, the vast majority of whom claim to have swallowed the "intruder theory"?
    2. To what extent was (then) DA Alex Hunter a personal-friend of the Ramseys? I've heard he was friendly with them. From a legal point-of-view, this is critical, considering Hunter's refusal to sign the Grand Jury's
    inditement.
    Thank you Sir

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  14. I think John used not only his wealth, but also his persuasive powers to manipulate certain people, yes. I don't think it would have been anything as crude as simply paying someone off, because that could easily backfire. As I see him, John is clearly a gifted manipulator and would have used whatever tools were at hand to con others into buying his version of what happened.

    I see no evidence that Hunter was a friend of the Ramseys, but John's lawyers, Haddon and Associates., were politically well connected and very powerful and influential generally. I think Hunter was overly cautious and too easily manipulated, but I don't see him as in any way corrupt. If I'd been the DA at that time I wouldn't have sign the indictment either, because there was no way to bring a case against both John and Patsy that could withstand reasonable doubt.

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  15. I find JR's actions highly suspicious. Apparently, shortly after Police attended the crime scene, JR refused to allow Police to interview Burke about what he may know about any intruder, if there had been one.
    Unstead, JR rushed Burke off to a friend's house. If there had been an intruder, any reasonable father of a kidnapped child would want to know what all people present at the time may have seen or heard and would readily submit their child to questioning.
    Also, JR disappeared between 10:40am and 12:00 noon. Detective Arndt is cagey about JR's reasons for leaving the crime scene. There is talk about him collecting his post--office box mail. I can't imagine this taking him 80 minutes.
    Detective Arndt would later invite JR to search the house. This was ridiculous on her part, pure incompetence on so many levels. And yet, Arndt had the temerity to sue the Boulder PD. What was her reason for suing and the outcome of the litigation?
    Have body-language experts commented on JR's appearance? He seems cagey and creepy, as if he's hiding some dark secrets.

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    1. Yes, of course, if John were innocent he'd want the police questioning Burke about what he might have seen or heard. If guilty, however, he'd be terrified that Burke might have seen or heard something that could incriminate HIM.

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  16. Just on that issue of John's absence between 10:40AM and 12noon, any reasonably competent Police Department (surely) would have discretely followed John, ostensibly for his own safety, but also to see what a possible murderer (John) was doing and where he was going....thoughts?

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    1. Amazingly, Arndt was left on her own during that entire long period, because all the other police were apparently at a meeting. So there was no one available to keep tabs on John.

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  17. Wow! Wow! Wow!

    Arndt was left all alone, with John and Patsy, together with Patsy's ever-loving cheer-squad and various hangers-on...Wow! Incredible!

    In the meantime, the rest of the Boulder PD were engaged in a meeting and wolfing-down donuts. One of the most intriguing criminal cases in American history was being lost to the truth, slipping away, forever. I sure hope the Boulder PD enjoyed those donuts.

    In future, forget the Keystone Cops. The Boulder PD are surely now the ultimate reference-point for incompetent, bungling police ineptitude.

    Wow! In-credible!

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