tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post828599968966621035..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Has the Author of the Ransom Note Been Unmasked?DocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-25642970340317768112016-09-20T09:45:35.798-04:002016-09-20T09:45:35.798-04:00Perhaps Patty made the 911 call before the note wa...Perhaps Patty made the 911 call before the note was written, before she realized what had happened to JBR....Maybe JR already knew what had happened and that JBR's body was already in the basement and was JR was planning on using the suitcase to conceal the body and get it out of the house....who knows if Burke attacked her or was assualting her in the basement near the train room and that's how the marks that looked like dots got on her body...anyway one thing lead to another and before JR could finish staging Patty called 911....when they both realized what this would mean for them and for Burke, John dictated the note to PR and they concocted the rest of the story including calling friends over to contaminate the scene. Maybe JR walked in on BR and JBR saw that JB was hit in the head and then used the rope as part of the staging. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-74942609331818238602016-09-14T12:17:52.209-04:002016-09-14T12:17:52.209-04:00Who's to say it wasn't Burke, who had snuc...Who's to say it wasn't Burke, who had snuck down to play with his Christmas gift? Minnesota LindaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-31159551227627311092016-09-14T10:40:05.304-04:002016-09-14T10:40:05.304-04:00To me it's the pineapple. Who does a little gi...To me it's the pineapple. Who does a little girl sit with in her kitchen in the middle of the night and eat pineapple with ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-37671643511164811892016-09-12T05:13:16.480-04:002016-09-12T05:13:16.480-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-4969868440831026122016-09-11T02:53:05.978-04:002016-09-11T02:53:05.978-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-82112740954960347922016-09-10T11:53:20.997-04:002016-09-10T11:53:20.997-04:00No, we don't know what transpired between them...No, we don't know what transpired between them prior to the call. What we do know, however, is the fact that there are at least two conflicting versions of what happened, which tells us that the generally accepted story that he told her to make the call is questionable.<br /><br />The next step comes when we ask ourselves why two people conspiring to stage a kidnapping would want to call the police while the body of their victim is still in their house? Especially when the threats in the note they've produced give them an excellent reason not to call until they've managed to get said body out of the house. Well, of course, they wouldn't.<br /><br />So: 1. they could not have been in it together. One must be innocent and the other guilty. Assuming of course that there was no intruder.<br /><br />2. Patsy is the one who made the call. THAT we do know -- for sure.<br /><br />3. If Patsy is guilty then why would she meekly go along with John's request for HER to make that call? That's the last thing she would have wanted to do. And if she balked at his request, as she certainly would have, there was nothing in the world to prevent him from picking up the phone and making the call himself. <br /><br />So yes. Combining the facts with the logic of the case, we CAN reconstruct what happened -- and why.<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-63235649945594416422016-09-10T11:14:09.436-04:002016-09-10T11:14:09.436-04:00If she was involved in writing the note, which sta...If she was involved in writing the note, which stated numerous times to not call the police, her reasoning for calling the police was because she came up with the excuse that she didn't read the entire note. She and John might have argued over staging or timing on when to call the police. We don't know and never will. But a lot doesn't make sense. She didn't read the entire note and/or neither did John? John had no involvement in the 911 call? Was he notified or did she just make the call all on her own when he was out of the room? Soo much information is missing. The 911 call is crucial. Crucial. And we do not know one thing about it from their perspective except that Patsy claimed she found the note on the stairs, read some of it, then immediately called 911. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-35678629947901562362016-09-10T00:19:09.811-04:002016-09-10T00:19:09.811-04:00P.S. I was unable to find any reference to the Ram...P.S. I was unable to find any reference to the Ramsey case on your (very interesting) blog. If you can share with me your samplings of Patsy's and John's writings or utterances I'd appreciate it. Also I'd be very interested in working with the software you've been using, assuming it's in a relatively non-technical format (I'm not a statistician). <br /><br />I'm sorry if I came down hard on you, but I get very tired of seeing all the many "proofs" that Patsy wrote the ransom note, based on a wide variety of unproven and in many cases untested methods. If you read much in this blog you'll learn why she could not have written it. Any more than St. John could have written the Song of Solomon -- regardless of what some statistics might tell you.<br /><br />And just because two texts use the same "function word" in similar proportions does not necessarily mean they were written by the same person. That neverthless remains to be established.<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-15604774467020576982016-09-10T00:04:20.330-04:002016-09-10T00:04:20.330-04:00Hello, Troy. If you read this post and the one fol...Hello, Troy. If you read this post and the one following you'll see some of the problems associated with this type of author attribution, especially where certain key samples are small. If we eliminate external elements from the ransom note, we come up with only 304 words, which, from a statistical standpoint mean little. Also as I noted above, the 1997 Christmas message may well be by John and not Patsy, so including it in your Patsy sample would obviously be a problem. You'll note that it contains the phrase "we, as a family." I've traced that phrase to two statements by John and haven't found any example by Patsy. Same with "and hence," which was pronounce by John in any interview, but never by Patsy, to my knowledge. The fact that you find something meaningful in the fact that both the ransom note and the Xmas message look forward to 1997 and contain the word "see" or "seeing" strikes me as a clear case of confirmation bias. You are obviously looking for anything you can find to tie Patsy to the ransom note. That sort of finding striked me as the mark of an amateur, not a serious researcher. I'd advise you to stick with statistics -- based on the law of large numbers. <br /><br />If you read the following blog post, by the way, you'll see that the Jstylo software, which I presume uses methods very similar to your own, was unable to match two different samples from the same person, i.e., Patsy. REsearch of this kind is potentially very valuable, but it must first be replicated under stringent conditions before it can be taken seriously.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-76712329371998257672016-09-09T23:48:42.813-04:002016-09-09T23:48:42.813-04:00What you've said is one good reason to wonder ...What you've said is one good reason to wonder why John didn't make the call himself, since he must have known Patsy was hysterical and might neglect to warn the police NOT to appear in squad cars and uniforms.<br /> It seems clear to me that he didn't make the call because he didn't want it made.<br /><br />And no it wasn't determined where John was because all we have to go on is their testimony, which is contradictory. See the third post on this blog.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-64103929612157050012016-09-09T23:44:18.403-04:002016-09-09T23:44:18.403-04:00I try very hard not to make assumptions, especiall...I try very hard not to make assumptions, especially when they reflect my own personal feeling about what a certain person or persons might do under certain circumstances. I just don't see this sort of thing as a reliable method for dealing with a case such as this.<br /><br />You seem to be forgetting that, if the note said NOT to do something, and Patsy was involved in the writing of that note, then why would she then decide to go against the warnings she herself placed in that note? Just because she did something you disapprove of is neither here nor there. <br /><br />I go by the logic of the case and as I see it, Patsy calling 911 while staging a kidnapping and knowing that JBR's body is still in the house, that just makes no sense at all. Would I have called 911 under those circumstances? I really can't say. And neither can you-- until you've been in that sort of situation yourself.<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-57125688854025401352016-09-09T23:35:02.621-04:002016-09-09T23:35:02.621-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-53387822442053073092016-09-09T18:11:00.031-04:002016-09-09T18:11:00.031-04:00Very good points. Minnesota LindaVery good points. Minnesota LindaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-8495115157915649112016-09-09T17:30:53.826-04:002016-09-09T17:30:53.826-04:00Also, was it ever determined where John was when P...Also, was it ever determined where John was when Patsy was making the 911 call? Was he in the room with her? Because if he were, why was he not yelling at her to not call the authorities because JBR could be killed if they did? How come this never was addressed thoroughly by jounrnalists/detectives/police? The ransom note put the authorities in the hot seat, since the ransom note writer claimed they were being scrutinized. Responsibility was shifted from Patsy and John to the police. If the police make a wrong move, JBR gets killed. Wouldn't the police be kind of upset that they were not notified from the getgo about the ransom note warnings? They could have handled things over the phone. They could have sent someone in disguise to the home. Nope. Patsy ruined it all and nothing was mentioned of it. Not a big deal. Oh well, the house is full of friends and the police even though the note said not to call anyone or JBR dies and yet they (friends/police/detectives) are all hanging out in the home as if no warning was ever given. Very ODD! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-50967783925939528842016-09-09T17:20:18.102-04:002016-09-09T17:20:18.102-04:00I recently heard a man use the phrase "fat ca...I recently heard a man use the phrase "fat cat". It was someone completely unrelated to the crime/investigation. I found it odd because I always felt that was something a woman would say. It doesn't matter though. Even if John DID write it, Patsy could have helped come up with the wording. They probably came up with the wording together and John wrote it. Why does it have to be one or the other who wrote it? The wording is a mix of male and female influence. <br /><br />Really, the ransom note leaves little room for the family to get JBR back. Patsy completely disregarded the multiple warnings in the letter and did NOT notify 911 that the letter stated to NOT call authorities. She completely left that part out of the call. I think someone normal in that situation would explain to 911 that they found a note and it said to not call authorities or their daughter will be killed, but they don't know what else to do and they are scared so they felt it best to call 911. A normal person would also probably tell 911 about the ransom note warnings so that the cops could park away from the home or so they could not come to the house all together in the event that the kidnappers who were watching the home. Didn't the note say that authorities were "under constant scruteny"? Patsy calling 911 would mean numerous cop cars would in minutes be swarming around their home. Exactly what the note said NOT to do. <br /><br />They both knew JBR was dead and knew calling the cops wouldn't matter. Neither Patsy nor John made any kind of comment when the ransom call didn't arrive. They KNEW their daughter was dead. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47125783233069254702016-09-08T17:22:21.862-04:002016-09-08T17:22:21.862-04:00I keep thinking about the interview John gave wher...I keep thinking about the interview John gave where he said that the BPD tried to blackmail him and Patsy by not turning over JBP's body to them to take to Atlanta. And he used the language like "tried to deny us proper burial" - same language as in the RN! <br /><br />And did anyone else see the interview with Anderson Cooper where John is asked if John still thinks about it all the time and his reply is: "Not all the time. No, it, you've got to move on with your life. Every now and then something stimulates my thoughts and you go back to it." Seriously?!! Every now and then? If I lost a child to a savage murderer, there would not be one day I would not wake up and think about them. You know Patsy thought of her daughter every day of her short time left on earth. KDinVAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-2692926853354826632016-09-06T23:08:38.033-04:002016-09-06T23:08:38.033-04:00You can find a transcript here: http://www.forumsf...You can find a transcript here: http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?10314-Newseum-Ramsey-Interview-(J-and-P-interview-transcripts-from-Journalism-Class-visit)<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-84287775151591136682016-09-06T23:01:03.380-04:002016-09-06T23:01:03.380-04:00I saw a video recently where he actually used the ...I saw a video recently where he actually used the words, "and hence". He caught himself and kind of lost track of what he was talking about for a moment. Anyone know where I can find that interview? I didn't pay attention but it really spoke volumes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-86915567094144455842016-09-06T22:32:06.337-04:002016-09-06T22:32:06.337-04:00I'm assuming that's intended as a joke. Th...I'm assuming that's intended as a joke. Though you never know. :-)<br /><br />What it tells me is that the Jstylo program may not be what it's cracked up to be. A different set of inputs from the same people should produce the same result. Instead it zeroed in on someone who once worked for Enron, whose linguistic preferences were apparently similar, in some way, to the ransom note.<br /><br />And this seems to be at least part of the problem. But I don't want to be getting ahead of myself . . . More on this issue in my next post.<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-57828541232513393622016-09-06T20:34:41.437-04:002016-09-06T20:34:41.437-04:00Enron? How would they know jr ? Why would they com...Enron? How would they know jr ? Why would they commit this crime? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-1781730091190813592016-09-06T17:22:35.935-04:002016-09-06T17:22:35.935-04:00I wouldn't put it past Enron. Lots of shady ch...I wouldn't put it past Enron. Lots of shady characters in that organization. They didn't care who got hurt in their pursuit of money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-29368704187747695162016-09-06T16:16:49.558-04:002016-09-06T16:16:49.558-04:00I heard him say "and hence" in an interv...I heard him say "and hence" in an interview and that has always stuck in my mind. Fascinating!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com