tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post8031894793729596363..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Comment SuggestionsDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger167125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-62260475142450057242016-11-20T02:38:16.706-05:002016-11-20T02:38:16.706-05:00I reposted my comment, but I'm not sure how to...I reposted my comment, but I'm not sure how to remove the one above.HKHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-12424153720668153012016-11-20T02:16:36.526-05:002016-11-20T02:16:36.526-05:00LOL. Thanks, Doc. That's where I thought I h...LOL. Thanks, Doc. That's where I thought I had posted it. I'll remove it and repost it there. Sorry about that.HKHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-41293786806743927632016-11-19T22:00:12.827-05:002016-11-19T22:00:12.827-05:00Yes, HKH, you make an excellent point. Not sure wh...Yes, HKH, you make an excellent point. Not sure why you decided to post it here though. I'd appreciate it if you'd repost in on the most recent thread, because most of the others reading here probably won't see it.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-58173492639661049312016-11-19T20:10:26.938-05:002016-11-19T20:10:26.938-05:00For what it's worth, from what I was able to f...For what it's worth, from what I was able to find, the new revelation that JR used the flashlight to take BR up to bed, came from a statement made by Dr. Phil. It didn't come directly from JR. Admittedly, I didn't watch all 3 parts of BR's interview in their entirety, so if I am mistaken, someone please correct me. Here is a link to part of the Dr. Phil interview:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eagUvTdkCM <br /><br />Around the 5:25 mark, Dr. Phil says, "I think your dad had said he used the flashlight that night to put you to bed..." BR neither confirms or denies this. Also, when asked if BR used the flashlight when he went back downstairs to play with his toy, BR says he doesn't remember.<br /><br />In the complaint filed against Spitz, it is stated that BR agreed to the Dr. Phil interview because he was aware that the investigators in CBS docuseries planned to accuse him. (I'm paraphrasing what is actually stated in the complaint, but that's the gist.)<br /><br />It makes me wonder if the new flashlight information was introduced to muddy the waters about the use of the flashlight that night. I'm assuming that neither BR, JR or LW knew exactly what evidence the docuseries planned to reveal, so maybe the flashlight revelation was kind of a preemptive strike to cover BR. <br /><br />It's interesting, to me, that Dr. Phil is the one who makes the statement. It's also interesting that BR doesn't confirm nor deny it. Also, I would think that Lin Wood would have pre-negotiated the power to veto any inaccurate statements, before the show was finalized and shown to the public. This is just speculation on my part, but wouldn't any decent attorney protect his clients by doing so? I just find it curious that Dr. Phil is "allowed" to make that statement, but it doesn't come directly from JR or BR. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but just thought I'd throw it out there.HKHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-80387603157414091102016-11-12T21:19:01.426-05:002016-11-12T21:19:01.426-05:00A COVEN OF PEDOPHILES AT WORKA COVEN OF PEDOPHILES AT WORKAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05730506332750865720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-82785408996364849872016-09-08T19:48:15.097-04:002016-09-08T19:48:15.097-04:00This is all so exciting.. And I feel like a crapp...This is all so exciting.. And I feel like a crappy ooogler. This Ramsey story I remember hearing about and now looking into cause there's this new TV stuff... Yes I have a poster board and post it notes a mind map of possibilities and ohhhhhhh it takes no effort to be interested in this.... My wheels are turningUnknownknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06066065049539337028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-32077906732758554322016-09-08T19:41:51.747-04:002016-09-08T19:41:51.747-04:00Mansions have front back side yards trees.... I...Mansions have front back side yards trees.... I'm in an apt there's a baby next door never heard itUnknownknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06066065049539337028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-88615246383709899062016-09-08T19:34:29.681-04:002016-09-08T19:34:29.681-04:00Just let the mind wonder.... Not wander. The olde...Just let the mind wonder.... Not wander. The older daughter killed in-car crash four years prior... Think on thatUnknownknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06066065049539337028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-19435878993258901782016-09-08T19:23:24.012-04:002016-09-08T19:23:24.012-04:00I think prior to Christmas maybe closer to Thanksg...I think prior to Christmas maybe closer to Thanksgiving.. Burke told mom he saw dad liking jonbennet more than he's ever liked him.. Love or touching same thing here...... I think maybe patsy had been on a lookout for this and possibly saw it point blank before her very eyes.. I'm not sure if this was seen before Christmas or not.. but I think Burke alerted mom... mom eventually caught dad.. And this affluent family decided to try to stick together....<br /><br />Maybe this all happened prior to Christmas... Some how Burke found out and in some way unintentionally but also intentionally.. Some how..... Maybe this.. Or that<br /> This is first....Christmas and the presents and amount of pictures took etc.... Maybe Burke was jealous of this extra love ... Which he thought came in gifts instead of the sex stuff he saw....... maybe he thought it was love instead of abuse. jonbennet was getting it....not Burke...<br /><br />Maybe he did the stun gun... told mom ...she won't wake up.... mom shook jean enough to make her head ricochet off something.. Mom told dad<br /><br />dad strangled her...... Mom and dad set up the crime scene.. Including note... Baseball bat and books in Danish cause they were bought In cash and in-traceable......Now... <br />This falls apart....cause this would be a real elaborate pretty meditated thing and the problem with proving this is...this is all so frantic almost clown staging.. But seems just enough to cover up the dad......and the dad was so good at shielding the boy...... The boy who stun gunned her sister so she wouldn't have to go through what dad did to her........ Or the boy with the stun gun who wanted dad to love him like jonbennet...<br /><br />And the ex pageant child turned mom realizing dad liked daughter more..... And the mom silently thinking about what to do about this.. And relying on Burke for information<br /><br />Who dog ears the dictionary to incest??????????<br />This was done by Burke or police and no one else obvious... Burke could have bent the page in the dictionary to point to incest.....not patsy not John... Maybe a lame young dumb thinking they are funny dick cop would do that but that's it.... Burke or police <br />This is that here... The shortest distance to a point is a single line... John... Lockheed Martin subsidiary... He named a single employee to the police for suspect... His smirk on every interview tries to show he's a cordial good man... That smirk is.... you don't know ....since I'm still alive I'll say this stuff... MIB Lockheed.. All these things previous about the parent staging this for whatever reasons once you take in John's job and the<br /><br />118,000 bonus deffered from unknown year<br />ransom note <br />Patsy on sedatives during CNN interview........<br /><br />This holds water cause if my daughter was killed by the unknown known government and my husband at Lockheed... Yeah I'd need to be sedated for a while and still be expected to perforUnknownknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06066065049539337028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-12900676872683823942016-06-07T17:51:18.421-04:002016-06-07T17:51:18.421-04:00Keeping in mind that the Ramseys wouldn't thin...Keeping in mind that the Ramseys wouldn't think that JB actually WAS kidnapped, I can totally see getting BR out if that house asap. I had a daughter die young and suddenly at home, and her 3 sisters were in the house at the time. Because of the nature of her death, and the ages of her sisters, the kids were all unaware of what was going on, as the house began to fill with emergency/rescue personnel. The FIRST call I made, after 911, as to family friends, to get my kids out of there. This was happening in their home. I did not want them to remember their sister that way, or be traumatized to live in their own home. It's easy to say what we would definitely do or not do, if it were us... but removing BR, knowing JB is deceased not missing, is one of the few points of this mystery that made perfect sense to me.Kimberly Crosby-Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14734613471203641690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-2411620823652493662015-07-02T10:41:02.919-04:002015-07-02T10:41:02.919-04:00He already had a deceased daughter can't imagi...He already had a deceased daughter can't imagine why he would want another ?Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10546031158162025459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-89374376064340987182015-07-02T10:29:12.819-04:002015-07-02T10:29:12.819-04:00I am sorry John first daughter stated her dad coul...I am sorry John first daughter stated her dad could never do this , the man also lost his first daughter and grief books in his house - why anyone would think he has a motive is ridiculous .... Why would he be stupid enough to write a letter on his own pad with their own pen and make naf immature references to movies that he wouldn't likely to have seen and remembered these naf lines ..... Please this house was open house these people had grief and cancer they were vulnerabMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10546031158162025459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-91282460942332884952015-02-26T02:37:13.333-05:002015-02-26T02:37:13.333-05:00Patsy has an odd way of referring to her husband a...Patsy has an odd way of referring to her husband as John Ramsey too, not John, not my husband, but by his full name.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-24796847616815962132015-02-26T02:31:31.596-05:002015-02-26T02:31:31.596-05:00The golf clubs were not a FULL set though, some we...The golf clubs were not a FULL set though, some were missing....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-8466766758105802682015-02-26T02:27:18.691-05:002015-02-26T02:27:18.691-05:00The feces in JBs room is disturbing, and Burkes p...The feces in JBs room is disturbing, and Burkes pajamas with feces in them were found in JBs room, along with a box of chocolates smeared with feces. Both children wet their beds and had toileting problems. The Paughs had bought books for the Ramsey's called ,"Why Johnny doesn't know right from wrong.", "Growing up too Fast" and "Children at Risk". Indeed something was TERRIBLY wrong in the Ramsey household. JR was gone a lot and imo PR was a lazy mom. Her house was a mess, her kids were free to do as they pleased, except JB at pageant time. She stated that they rarely washed their hands or bathed unless it was what Patsy called "The Pageant Scrub down"- When nails were trimmed, hair was washed and JB was cleaned head to toe, but this was rare, only at competition time. Patsy described her children; "Burke was a loner, and Johnny B was a flirt."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-49683122546118536012015-02-26T02:00:30.121-05:002015-02-26T02:00:30.121-05:00As a mother, if I thought my daughter was kidnapp...As a mother, if I thought my daughter was kidnapped, there is NO WAY I would let my other child out of my sight for ONE SECOND. The removal of Burke from the house suggests to me that JR knew soon a body would be found, so he sent his son to play at Fleets house, so he wouldn't experience the horrible scene to come. This proves JR knew JB was dead and would soon be discovered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-71364851975644831772015-02-26T01:43:19.894-05:002015-02-26T01:43:19.894-05:00I don't know whose idea it was to move Christ...I don't know whose idea it was to move Christmas, but the Ramsey's say in their book that it was going to be too much trouble to pack up all the many, many Christmas gifts for the kids, so this meeting up with the older kids was going to be an After Christmas Celebration. Patsy had a few more gifts for her kids as well as a few for Johns kids. (This may have prompted Jonbenet telling her friends mom, that she would receive a special visit from Santa AFTER Christmas.) I don't understand why they didn't invite the older kids to celebrate in Boulder with the family. At any rate, they discussed moving Christmas to Michigan, but decided, it was too much trouble to lug the presents there, then lug them home again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-82373560284595022992015-02-26T01:31:33.180-05:002015-02-26T01:31:33.180-05:00Something struck me as odd in the Ramsey's boo...Something struck me as odd in the Ramsey's book. PR states she awoke to Johns shower running and it was still dark outside, then she figured that she must start to get up as well, she thought, "My shower is still broken, oh well don't need one today." ODD that John was up and showering well before his alarm went off. Patsy's portion of the book of course doesn't say she was surprised he was up, but clearly she was surprised. She also said, "I am usually the first one up, and the first one to go down stairs."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-32146441514618472462014-10-02T01:11:09.979-04:002014-10-02T01:11:09.979-04:00(kikigirl) Another case that I find is very simila...(kikigirl) Another case that I find is very similar to this one, and no one in the family has been held accountable, is the case of the McCanns in England. Madeleine, I believe, was killed by one of the parents, possibly by accident. No one has been held responsible for that tragedy as well. I see the McCanns as a British version of the Ramseys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-55093332714271924722014-10-02T01:05:43.116-04:002014-10-02T01:05:43.116-04:00(kikigirl) The Ramsey lawyers pulled it off quite ...(kikigirl) The Ramsey lawyers pulled it off quite well. How sad and frustrating that the victim in all of this did not get justice. I always knew that the Ramseys' "island of privacy" where they withheld medical records shows undisputedly that they had something to hide. There was no kidnapper, someone in that house harmed Jonbenet, most likely John, but I don't think Burke is a wholesome good boy either. And it's a shame that both enjoy the free life and have gone unpunished. Patsy, on the other hand, if knew secrets she wasn't willing to spill in her lifetime, is now gone. I guess the turmoil was festering inside of her long enough to fall ill again and meet her end. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-36378712811336469872014-09-30T15:59:11.029-04:002014-09-30T15:59:11.029-04:00The issue is not whom the reporters or police aske...The issue is not whom the reporters or police asked, but the fact it was not asked enough. The multiple doctor visits for vaginal issues and evidence in the autopsy report are huge red flags and I think it shows some degree of cover up given that no one focused on this enough in interviews. Of course PR is going to say she is surprised, what....is she going to admit to knowing her daughter was being abused? Quite frankly, how could no one focus on the prior vaginal abuse? No reporter? One police interview? A little girl dies in her home and has evidence of vaginal penetration and multiple doctor visits for said vaginal issues and NO ONE brings this up? I wonder if the Ramsey's had their lawyers not allow reporters to ask questions pertaining to JBR's health due to HIPAA laws (not even sure HIPAA laws were around back then). There had to be a reason this topic was off the table. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-27859006377057073562014-09-01T15:10:01.342-04:002014-09-01T15:10:01.342-04:00"Someone should have looked into the fact JBR..."Someone should have looked into the fact JBR had multiple visits for vaginal issues and then it was found through autopsy that she had digital penetration the day she died and evidence of previous vaginal trauma. How come no one discussed that with the Ramsey's in interviews?"<br /><br />Actually Patsy was asked about the evidence of prior abuse during one of her police interviews. She acted very surprised and when asked if it disturbed her, said that yes it certainly disturbed her very much. Amazingly, however, the interviewers didn't seem interested in the possibility that John might have been responsible, so never followed up on that with her at all. They went on to question her about whether she herself had ever been abused, which she denied. Very frustrating to read these interviews and see how many times the interrogators dropped the ball. They just had no interest in John at that point, all the focus was on Patsy.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47626292248574509602014-09-01T14:59:39.726-04:002014-09-01T14:59:39.726-04:00The "garrote" could not have been constr...The "garrote" could not have been constructed while JBR was alive and conscious. Tufts of her hair were found embedded in the knotting of this device, which means it must have been constructed right on top of her, and if she'd been conscious she'd have been screaming bloody murder and struggling very hard, which would have made it impossible to tie those very neatly contrived knots. The only sequence of events that makes sense is first the blow to the head, probably very sudden from behind, so she never knew what or who hit her. Then the construction of the "garotte," possibly much later, by someone in a great panic. It's possible that after the head blow he strangled her by hand and then realized that the police might be able to lift his prints from her neck. So possibly the purpose of the garotte was to misdirect away from manual strangulation.<br /><br />This was an oversight on Wecht's part, and believe me, I have no interest in challenging his expertise, but the hair entwined in the knots is something he never seems to have considered.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-48107143687320754512014-09-01T13:11:35.554-04:002014-09-01T13:11:35.554-04:00@ kikigirl - well I would suspect that there was a...@ kikigirl - well I would suspect that there was a reason for the kids' doctor to be called over to the house the morning the note was found. I guess it is possible that the Ramsey's gave BR something that night but I think their MO was to keep BR from properly talking to the police/detectives they knew were inevitably going to be interviewing him. <br /><br />I believe it has been said the pediatrition was a friend of the family but it doesn't really matter. Someone should have looked into the fact JBR had multiple visits for vaginal issues and then it was found through autopsy that she had digital penetration the day she died and evidence of previous vaginal trauma. How come no one discussed that with the Ramsey's in interviews? How is it believed that PR, a seemingly intelligent woman, would overlook such a finding and not correlate it to all the doctor visits she took her daughter? For those who say PR is completely innocent, then I'd like for them to provide some thought into how a mother would overlook that and not merely lean on the belief that JR sedated PR and explained everything away. If you are going to assume JR explained everything away and intimidated PR then assume she wasn't intimated by her husband and did in fact have a daughter who reports determined was molested and a daughter she took to the doctor for vaginal issues more than a handful of time. <br /><br />Is it also possible that JBR did the penetration herself? She was under a lot of pressure due to the pagents and had her mother's illness to grapple. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-26182001021590828162014-08-31T01:26:48.997-04:002014-08-31T01:26:48.997-04:00(kikigirl) Good point about possibly sedating Burk...(kikigirl) Good point about possibly sedating Burke for the night after such a traumatic event occurred on the night of the 25th. I too thought Burke's behavior suspicious all along. <br />The kids sometimes slept in one room, Burke's room, and Jonbenet had two beds in her room as well, so it is quite possible for inappropriate kid play to have taken place. I also thought that's why Jonbenet didn't speak out about any inappropriate touching, since it was from Burke. <br />But the garroting and suffocation on John's part is just horrendous. How could he do that to his own little girl, even if found unconscious from a blow to the head? Unless Burke hit her and left her alone for some time and after seeing she didn't come to, he called his father for help. Dad gave him sedatives to keep calm and sleep and brainstormed the coverup. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com