tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post7347683900893274175..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Has the Author of the Ransom Note Been Unmasked? Part 2DocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-78417597820629963042016-09-17T09:15:03.804-04:002016-09-17T09:15:03.804-04:00I would like to say that this site is one of the b...I would like to say that this site is one of the best I've come across on the subject. Everyone seems to articulate their meaning of certain evidence in a very respectful and responsible way. This case sometimes keeps me up at night going over certain scenarios. One question I'd like to ask ...on many of the televised interviews it seemed to me that JR had coached PR on certain ways to respond to questions. I also observed that even in some instances where a question was asked to her and as she's answering that if you look at him and see that he's watching her closely and his mouth/lips are at same time she's answering are saying answer in tandem. Kind of like when you've worked with your child on an important speech for school and when the day arrives you sit in audience and can mouth the words coming from their lips! Another question I'd like to ask is...Am I correct that there were reports of cigars in or near basement? And a crafting area? Any glue gun or perhaps the device used to burn design on wood? Just a thought because this is what this case tends to make one do! To the point of exhaustion in fact! Thank you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65542602387291639942016-09-13T17:44:24.161-04:002016-09-13T17:44:24.161-04:00I'm thinking the ransom note was to explain wh...I'm thinking the ransom note was to explain why JB was killed instead of kidnapped. Then the call to 911 would be deliberate, to trigger the "kidnapper" to "kill" JB. Like the RN threatened. And to match JB being dead. <br /> <br />Also, he, she or they probably didn't want to leave JB's body somewhere. They probably wanted to bury her in a nice ceremony. <br /><br />So if Patsy was in on it, that's why she would call 911. To pretend the killer was in the basement with JB alive. Then they called the cops, and everyone else, so the kidnapper killed her and left her there. <br /><br />But there was no reason to call them that early. Unless they had been thinking about it all night and were anxious to get on with it.<br /><br />Dona Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-66705143409783418762016-09-12T16:46:46.187-04:002016-09-12T16:46:46.187-04:00"There are also other explanations for why th..."There are also other explanations for why the two parents were in on it and left the body in the house. Maybe they couldn't bare to leave her elsewhere? Maybe they thought it too risky? Maybe they wanted her found quickly? It's all speculation."<br /><br />No, it's not all speculation. Not that part of it, anyhow, not the basics. As I see it there are no other explanations for why two people going to such trouble to stage a kidnapping would agree to call the police on themselves with the body still in the house and then hand them evidence that could be used against them in the form of a patently phony ransom note.<br /><br />If they had second thoughts about their original plan, or wanted the body found quickly then they would not have reported a kidnapping and handed the police an obviously phony "ransom note." Once the body was found in the house, it was clear to the police (at least most of them) that it was an inside job. The only reason John wasn't indicted was the decision to rule him out as writer of the note, which was a huge mistake.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-336994983650311892016-09-12T16:36:50.569-04:002016-09-12T16:36:50.569-04:00"Had the results of this Jstylo software said..."Had the results of this Jstylo software said it was 75% John, would you not have jumped for joy and used that as further evidence for your theory?"<br /><br />Good question. I suppose I'd have welcomed it, yes. But I'm a born skeptic and I'm especially skeptical of any approach to this case where we're expected to accept findings based on some cut and dried system rather than critical analysis. I feel sure I'd have wanted to get hold of this software and see if I could replicate the results myself. <br /><br />Also I hope everyone reading here understands that as far as I'm concerned, I'm not here to defend "my theory." In a sense I have no theory. My conclusions are based on my attempt to make sense of all the facts and evidence, based on a logical analysis, not a predetermined theory. If conclusive evidence were to be presented that contradicted my theory and pointed in some other direction, I would follow it.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-6675791333794674722016-09-12T12:22:41.098-04:002016-09-12T12:22:41.098-04:00There might be some credence to the idea that both...There might be some credence to the idea that both John and Patsy are responsible for the note. I have heard it suggested that Patsy wrote while John dictated at times. This might account for the similarities to both parents' writing/speaking style. <br /><br />It is interesting how predetermined opinion can influence perception. Had the results of this Jstylo software said it was 75% John, would you not have jumped for joy and used that as further evidence for your theory? <br /><br />You have some great ideas and this is a very well thought out resource. I know a lot of your opinion is based on the fact that Patsy would not have called he police if she were involved and that she did so without John's knowing. I can't help but think that it's possible that Patsy's first reaction would have been to run up and tell John before phoning the police. Especially since the note is addresses to him. There are also other explanations for why the two parents were in on it and left the body in the house. Maybe they couldn't bare to leave her elsewhere? Maybe they thought it too risky? Maybe they wanted her found quickly? It's all speculation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-7646815005929133642016-09-08T22:28:20.964-04:002016-09-08T22:28:20.964-04:00Maybe it was John, I really dont know. This case w...Maybe it was John, I really dont know. This case will never be solved so we can speculate forever. thats all we will ever get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-19803076569536481272016-09-08T20:04:36.571-04:002016-09-08T20:04:36.571-04:00Well I do know this, Patsy would hire people to de...Well I do know this, Patsy would hire people to decorate the house for Christmas as an indicator. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-42933920715354366602016-09-08T13:47:34.276-04:002016-09-08T13:47:34.276-04:00That seems like speculation, to me. I don't t...That seems like speculation, to me. I don't think we know how much John helped at Christmas -- no one that knew them well has spoken about it. But I will suggest this, since I'm very much into Christmas, included the decorating and sending out cards, social events, etc. My husband is very busy with his job, too (as I am I). However, we're both off from work for a week or two at this time of year, and I delegate tasks to the hubby. Obviously, helping with the cards is easy relative to the other work at hand, so he takes that one. I have the family photos done, I order the cards, I select the printed message and I print out mailing labels. He composes the short, personal message. He usually writes it, but he is slow and sometimes I will help finish them up, but you can bet I just write exactly what he wrote because its easiest for me and no one will claim we wrote more to one relative than we did to another. As far as John goes, the "and Hence" is a pattern of his and is not found in Patsy's style of writing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-82762127455616188242016-09-08T13:29:25.752-04:002016-09-08T13:29:25.752-04:00That was me... Minnesota LindaThat was me... Minnesota LindaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-43264444419168334492016-09-08T13:28:35.488-04:002016-09-08T13:28:35.488-04:00That's what I thought, too. Plus, after living...That's what I thought, too. Plus, after living with someone for a number of years, a person sometimes unconsciously picks up some phrases and a manner of speaking from their spouse. At least I have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-69301666568959886182016-09-08T12:48:14.698-04:002016-09-08T12:48:14.698-04:00From what I have read PR was really into Christmas...From what I have read PR was really into Christmas, decorating and sending out cards etc. It also appears JR was always gone and busy and did not have his hand in much as far as doing things with the kids and family etc. From what we know I would think that JR had nothing to do with writing out Christmas cards. The same as he did not do much with the kids, the planning of parties etc etc. JR just doesnt seem very involved in much other than his work, so writing out Christmas cards would seem most likely to be PR's job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-26994306869480544082016-09-08T09:33:32.267-04:002016-09-08T09:33:32.267-04:00The more I study that Christmas message, the more ...The more I study that Christmas message, the more it looks like John all the way. The phrase "we, as a family" was used elsewhere by John, and the overall style strikes me as his. I really wish I was able to use the Jstylo software as I'd love to see whether that message comes up as closer to John or Patsy.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-86061905838316206372016-09-08T04:16:24.808-04:002016-09-08T04:16:24.808-04:00The problem I see with the test is that if Patsy w...The problem I see with the test is that if Patsy wrote the note and John dictated in part, we then have two sets of comparison in one. If you take out Patsy's letter with the"and hence" and added Johns verbal "and hence" it would probably come up with John as the writer. As you say Doc, some bias of input could come into it.evejnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-85016209535112153442016-09-08T00:00:26.432-04:002016-09-08T00:00:26.432-04:00I am glad you became so interested in this. I thin...I am glad you became so interested in this. I think that after the kinks are worked out and it gets refined it will be an awesome tool and may even lead to a couple of other computer facilitated identification programs as well. As far as this case goes I have felt it was a road to nowhere for over 10 years, yet I will read any information on it that I can get my hands on. Unfortunately, I think nothing definitive will come out of any of these shows and they may even muddy the waters even more than they were before. I have studied alot of murder cases, and when I say alot I mean it would be hard for you to bring 1 up that I do not know anything about. I always get a definite feeling in my mind for who the guilty party is and I am usually right, not always but usually. I do, however always get a definitive feel. There have only been a few cases where it took quite awhile to get that definitive feel, the Darlie Routier case and the West Memphis Three are 2 that come to mind. I have never had any, even close to baffling me as badly as the this case does. This case is a giant rabbit hole of epic proportions that you can not escape! I think that because we cannot definitively figure it out in our minds, is the reason you, I and many others are so obsessed with it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-30698820426600849532016-09-07T23:20:49.797-04:002016-09-07T23:20:49.797-04:00Well, first of all I want to thank you for finding...Well, first of all I want to thank you for finding it and bringing it to our attention, as it's an important piece of sleuthing, regardless of what it might mean. As I said, this finding is the first such bit of evidence that stopped me cold. I have a lot of respect for this approach to content analysis, as it has the potential to be completely objective and free of confirmation bias. <br /><br />But as we see, there was still room for confirmation bias to creep in nevertheless, probably in the choice of examples. Where I think Berger may have gone wrong was his selection of the Xmas message as a sample of Patsy's writing, whereas the more I study it the more the whole thing looks like it was written by John.<br /><br />I'd love to do more research with this software myself, but I just haven't been able to get it to work for me. Hopefully I'll get some help from its designers, but so far I haven't heard from them.<br /><br />To answer your question: if I'd been able to query this program myself, using a variety of different examples from different sources, and Patsy consistently came out as the most likely match, regardless of what examples of her verbal and/or written language I used, that would have really rocked my boat, yes. I don't know if I'd ever be willing to concede that Patsy wrote the note, because to me that's just impossible. But I would probably have simply thrown up my hands and given up, finding something better to do with my time. And maybe in the long run I'd have been better off, because this is starting to look like a road to nowhere.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-1226691511841363612016-09-07T19:08:28.995-04:002016-09-07T19:08:28.995-04:00Wow, I did not think that you would delve this dee...Wow, I did not think that you would delve this deeply into this when I posted it but much applause to you for investigaing it so deeply. I only read the basics as to how it works but thought that 1 day it will be refined and will be a wonderful investigative tool as well. I am curious of this though, has this swayed your thinking at all about who wrote the note or no ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com