tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post7243884380411904582..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Lin Wood for the DefenseDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger247125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-89008032278688402832016-10-13T20:53:39.085-04:002016-10-13T20:53:39.085-04:00It's called real crime profile. It's free ...It's called real crime profile. It's free on iTunes.<br />Megan @ Meg Go Runhttp://www.meggorun.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-5374325563081582032016-10-13T13:49:19.858-04:002016-10-13T13:49:19.858-04:00Absolutely no need to apologize, CC, but thank you...Absolutely no need to apologize, CC, but thank you. You are a class act.<br /><br />I think I will re-post my response for Inquisitive. Good suggestion. Thanks!HKHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-7517358129853558812016-10-13T07:36:18.909-04:002016-10-13T07:36:18.909-04:00Really? Just one of you? You're being more t...Really? Just one of you? You're being more than a little jejeune, Inq. We saw remarks from someone purporting BDI once, maybe twice a year before the recent spate of TV shows focused on Burke brought the landslide that includes you and your fellow BDI/CBS proponents, making your statement more than a little hard to believe.<br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-34515173113085406792016-10-13T07:02:10.806-04:002016-10-13T07:02:10.806-04:00Burke for molesting his sister ?Burke for molesting his sister ?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04737786478506148483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-8577143571362364172016-10-13T06:02:00.213-04:002016-10-13T06:02:00.213-04:00Absolutely no need to apologize, CC, but thank you...Absolutely no need to apologize, CC, but thank you. You are a class act. <br /><br />I think I will re-post my response to Inquisitive. Thanks for the suggestion.HKHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-21103009539833486242016-10-13T03:29:38.798-04:002016-10-13T03:29:38.798-04:00Geez.....a lot of people here with chips on their ...Geez.....a lot of people here with chips on their shoulders these days, huh?! "Doc is against me, boohoo!"<br />Anonymous, Doc didn't IGNORE you, that is a flat out lie. He responded to you, it just wasn't in the manner you hoped - and the reason he didn't address your points, one by one, is because, he has responded to the exact, same questions a HUNDRED times already.....why do you expect him to do the leg work for you? You have the search mechanism.....so use it like the rest of us! <br />Doc doesn't expect anyone to "blindly" follow his logic, that is why he has gone through every detail in all of his chapters on this blog. If you don't care to read his reasoning, it begs the question: why are you here arguing with it? Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-71189343553631352372016-10-13T02:24:08.532-04:002016-10-13T02:24:08.532-04:00Inquisitive, you cite the following as reasons for...Inquisitive, you cite the following as reasons for doubting Patsy's innocence:<br /><br />"That she "found" the note at the foot of the spiral staircase (I suggest she put it there so the police would see it there according to what she said on the 911 call)"<br /><br />On what evidence do you base that suspicion? I cannot see why you would draw that conclusion, unless you are desperately fighting the idea that John wrote the note and simply left it exactly where he knew Patsy would find it (which makes complete and utter sense, and you don't even need to turn Patsy into a liar in order to make it "fit".) You're forming alternative theories for things that already have perfectly, logical explanations. That only complicates matters.<br /><br />"She also says she didn't know what the note said specifically but she could say for certain that it was signed Victory and SBTC. Maybe that's true, but it's irrelevant."<br /><br />Sigh. How many times has this been covered now? It makes complete sense she would go straight to the author of the note - if my daughter had been kidnapped, the FIRST thing I would do, is look to see who it was that abducted her! That is a no brainer, I can't believe it continuously gets brought up as though it's somehow an indication of Patsy's guilt - it isn't an indication of guilt OR innocence, so it is a moot point. <br /><br />"To me the "tells" that she was involved in staging was the same outfit was on, the makeup was on, the fiber from her jacket on the sticky side of the duct tape, and her behavior the morning the police came over."<br /><br />Good Lord. Does this ever stop? Are we stuck on a permanent loop, here, lol? These things have been addressed so many times, it is just silly now, but I'll give it one more shot:<br />Patsy said she put her make up on when she woke up.....you are all so fond of mentioning how concerned she was with image, so why is this concept so hard for you to accept? Or do the BDI theorists only push something until it no longer fits with their theory? She was catching a flight less than an hour later, thus putting her make up on shorty after awakening makes complete sense, she didn't exactly have a lot of time to spare. That she walked down the stairs that morning with her make up on only seems strange when you START with the premise that she never went to bed the night before, but if she was up all night staging a murder, she would have been sure to shower and change her clothes before calling the police to her house (just as John did), wouldn't she?! If anything, that she was in the same clothes she wore the day before, points more towards her being completely clueless when she woke up that morning as far as I'm concerned. So again.....a moot point. <br />As far as the fibers go, no doubt several fibers from her jacket made their way onto JB at the party - or the perp (John) - thus were transferred to the sticky side of the tape during the murder/staging. <br />As far as her behavior goes, tell me.....how *should* she have behaved? Have you had a child kidnapped from your home? Again, whether her behavior was deemed unusual or not (and that is subjective), is NOT an indication of guilt.<br /><br />"Maybe one could say that she did all of the staging and John didn't, but then are we to suggest that taking two (and he changes from one to two) melatonin would knock him out so sufficiently that he wouldn't notice she wasn't in bed all night?"<br /><br />No one currently on this blog has even suggested Patsy did all the staging. There are two camps here at present: those that believe Patsy and John conspired together to cover for Burke, and those that believe John acted alone, so not sure why you threw that one in. <br />I have to agree with a poster who earlier suggested you are "muddying the waters". It's exhausting. <br />Your theory is valid - even though some of us don't share it - but almost all of your comments are now just repeats of what you have said on every other page of this blog.Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-83211639244426045812016-10-13T02:00:57.459-04:002016-10-13T02:00:57.459-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-6508419974081097962016-10-12T23:50:48.261-04:002016-10-12T23:50:48.261-04:00Can someone please post a link to these podcasts e...Can someone please post a link to these podcasts everyone is talking about ? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04737786478506148483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-53482937892944967852016-10-12T23:24:35.686-04:002016-10-12T23:24:35.686-04:00I'm sorry, but I don't see Patsy as being ...I'm sorry, but I don't see Patsy as being involved, and you don't know that for certain, either. <br /><br />Someone earlier said she's not the brightest bulb, but that is simply not true. She had a college education, performed well in school, and her friends here in Atlanta confirm that she was a smart lady who even had a hand in helping John launch Access Graphics. Based on what I know about her, she would never go along with allowing her daughter's body to be mutilated just to cover up something her son did. She is definitely smart enough to know when to call 911 if she was working with John on a cover-up-in-progress. <br /><br />Her body language and words showed genuine grief and distress (as opposed to John's cold demeanor, lip-licking, self-serving actions, lawyering up, trying to fly out of town hours after his daughter was taken to a morgue, lying about a broken window, changing his stories, and now not trying to find the "real killer.") <br /><br />Finally, the Johnisms in the RN that DocG wrote about really blew me away. The use of the word "that" instead of "who or whom" is just one of several tell-tale signs of John's writing habits. <br /><br />The handwriting and linguistic experts were shown to NOT be experts at all, and it really doesn't take an expert to see that the note was not Patsy's writing style. While anything is possible, the motive of the note was to direct the events of Dec 26th - that is a no-brainer to me. <br /><br />So really we have a choice, and based on all of the other circumstances, I vote that Patsy did not write or dictate that note. <br /><br />Now, the one thing I do struggle with is that Patsy didn't eventually come to suspect John. If it crossed her mind, I think it was much later, when she knew her cancer was back. Like Linda Arndt said, she died with many secrets. I think at least she was conflicted and not able to sort out in her mind what she should do about any of the light bulb moments she may have had. At that point, JBR was long buried, she had Burke to worry about, and she needed John to pay her medical bills. All that said, its also very possible, like Doc has said, that she never went there in her mind, and was convinced that an IDI. -LE <br /><br />P.S. Because her dad was so involved in John's company, I think she also worried about his livelihood. I heard that Don Paugh was an investor and I guess Don might have had something to lose if John went to jail. Of course, we now know that John lost his wealth, but I'll bet he took care of Don and Nedra before all was spent. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-62516224155761403092016-10-12T22:20:44.848-04:002016-10-12T22:20:44.848-04:00It's an interesting theory, but it suffers fro...It's an interesting theory, but it suffers from the same drawbacks as all the other intruder theories. Someone entering the house with the intent to kidnap would have had a ransom note prepared ahead of time. (Actually a ransom note wasn't even needed -- a phone call would have been a much better choice, since a hand printed note is evidence.)<br /><br />And if the housekeeper had "borrowed" a notepad from the house, why bother to return it to its original location? If the intent was to "frame" the Ramseys, then there would have been an effort to forge John or Patsy's hand. But there is no sign the note was a forgery.<br /><br />Also the note said the "kidnapper's" call was to come "tomorrow," which would have given the Ramseys a full 24 hours to change their minds about calling the police or thoroughly searching the house and finding the body.<br /><br />Finally, if the housekeeper had managed to pull off the kidnapping, what could she do with the money? Any sign of newfound wealth in her family would have been seen as extremely suspicious, especially since she had a key.<br /><br />Also we have to take into account the scene at the basement window, with the suitcase under it -- and John's incredible story about breaking in earlier, which as I believe I've demonstrated, is an alibi pointing away from his breaking the window the night of the crime to stage an intruder break-in.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-78505848585073071342016-10-12T22:17:32.656-04:002016-10-12T22:17:32.656-04:00BDI,substantiated off of circumstantial evidence b...BDI,substantiated off of circumstantial evidence by experts with information, insight and possibly evidence that we do not have. Other than that yes Bdi not the steongest case either. Probably a bit stronger than the JDI theory on this blog. Placing someone at the crime scene through logical inference is just a tad stronger than all assumptions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-50786435875666102412016-10-12T22:13:13.213-04:002016-10-12T22:13:13.213-04:00Great reply to Sisu anonymous! Why do you even was...Great reply to Sisu anonymous! Why do you even waste your time typing such garbage time after time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-69731151502741407582016-10-12T22:07:17.284-04:002016-10-12T22:07:17.284-04:00Also,because we know JR had a hand in at least som...Also,because we know JR had a hand in at least some part of this crime and we know PR had some part in this crime.At least some of us do,so that makes one person writing it and one person dictating very possible. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65812220428143605742016-10-12T22:02:42.411-04:002016-10-12T22:02:42.411-04:00Handwriting and linguistic experts are where someo...Handwriting and linguistic experts are where someone got the idea that someone wrote it and someone dictated it, that is just as possible as only one person reading it.I think in a case like this what you have to do is be able to keep an open mind. Once you get set on a singular theory and start trying to alter evidence in your mind to fit around your theory as the blog owner has done, then you will end up with a one track bias theory of ridiculous evidence fitting.As you are seeing here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-51632399373358449202016-10-12T21:51:14.382-04:002016-10-12T21:51:14.382-04:00To Unknown post above: Sorry, I just realized you ...To Unknown post above: Sorry, I just realized you were asking the blog owner for opinion on hired kidnapper, not any one else. I'm just an anon who responded and not blog owner, sorry again!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-22677584176813475452016-10-12T21:51:02.413-04:002016-10-12T21:51:02.413-04:00Unknown,for starters P.R. did not deny Linda the m...Unknown,for starters P.R. did not deny Linda the money. She agree to give it to her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-27764586092384068452016-10-12T21:45:25.726-04:002016-10-12T21:45:25.726-04:00Sorry to hear you caught some of the flack that...Sorry to hear you caught some of the flack that's been flying here, LE. <br /><br />Yup, Ms D has made a number of worthwhile contributions - check out her pithy remark about Burke's knife just above. <br />CC<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-77052286285392784642016-10-12T21:30:08.642-04:002016-10-12T21:30:08.642-04:00Wow Doc I'm not sure you and I watched the sam...Wow Doc I'm not sure you and I watched the same documentary! I found their investigation fascinating and compelling. I'm also enjoying their podcast- Real Crime Profile. They do take questions. You should run your theory by them and see how they think it fits or doesn't fit with the evidence. I've listened to a lot of episodes (not just ones about jonbenet) and they seem game to answer questions and address theories.Megan @ Meg Go Runhttp://www.meggorun.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-72207905762254537212016-10-12T21:25:18.787-04:002016-10-12T21:25:18.787-04:00CC, thanks for the welcome back. I've been rea...CC, thanks for the welcome back. I've been reading, but really haven't had much to say since I expect any theory arguing against JDI to account for everything. The JDI theory is the most plausible to me, considering all the facts and the dynamics and characters. I've posted as LE before (Lady Engineer), but stopped signing after some rude things were said to me for no reason. I would like the healthy, intelligent debate to return! I'm getting bored with all the rehashing of things already discussed at length. <br /><br />I do like what Ms D posted above: why pick 2 parents as writing the note when one of them could be solely responsible? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-32356124019942363072016-10-12T21:11:09.292-04:002016-10-12T21:11:09.292-04:00If it was a botched kidnapping for ransom ($$$) fr...If it was a botched kidnapping for ransom ($$$) from hired help, then intruder would have left immediately after 1st part of botching plan, ie hitting Jonbenet in head. If hired help wanted money and kidnapper already in the home while Ramsey's at Christmas party, why wouldn't they just commit burglary in the home instead of killing an innocent? Murder of Jonbenet was very personal method strangulation, vaginal disturbance, and covered Jonbenet in blanket with clean underwear, favorite nightgown close by etc. I think she was left in wine cellar for specific reason, not just remoteness...isn't this where santa kept presents for storage, is there a safe or anything else there, book in suitcase close by...perp may have been reading nighttime to Jonbenet in the basement, but would a hired perp know/do all those things. Criminals who need money would find simpler way to commit crime, burglary. By the way, were there any rooms with couches in the basement where Jonbenet might stay up to read stories with someone? JmoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-8018542989314445282016-10-12T20:55:58.753-04:002016-10-12T20:55:58.753-04:00Hi there,
I've read several entries on your b...Hi there,<br /><br />I've read several entries on your blog (including the first few to which you direct readers to get a sense of your overall theory of the case). I'm inclined to support your theory and was even advocating for it with my mother a few days ago. She countered with a theory of her own that seemed plausible on its face. I know you're inundated with comments and opposing theories, but if you could spare the time, I'd love your thoughts on this one.<br /><br />My mom thinks that the Ramsey's housekeeper (Pugh) hired someone to kidnap JB as a ransom scheme, but it went wrong and JB ended up dead. Here's how she thinks it went down: The housekeeper, who recently asked to borrow money from the Ramseys and was denied, knew that (a) JR just received a big bonus from his company; and (b) The Ramseys would do anything for JB. So she hires a local goon to pull off the kidnapping. There's no sign of an intruder because Pugh had a key to their house (or copied one of their keys behind the Ramseys' back). The ransom note was unusually long and written on the Ramseys' stationary because Pugh had access to that stationary well before the actual crime was committed. In other words, it was likely written while the Ramseys' were at the Christmas party or even before.<br /><br />The hired goon may have tried to sexually assault JB while attempting the kidnapping. JB may have also tried to fight back or made noise, which prompted the kidnapper to hit her in the head in order to keep her quiet (and avoid being caught). When the kidnapper realized JB was not breathing and was dying, he finished the job with a garrote. The ransom note was already written and left on the stairs, so the kidnapper just left it there when he left the house.<br /><br />What holes do you see in this theory? I'm sure there are some, but I couldn't figure out what evidence or logical inferences immediately refute this theory out of hand.<br /><br />Thanks for all of your work here, Doc! <br /><br />--MC MC4IYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10639862499307007605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-79810550425760912292016-10-12T18:23:38.903-04:002016-10-12T18:23:38.903-04:00Ms D, I stand by my opinion that John's book r...Ms D, I stand by my opinion that John's book reads like a hyocrite talking. It is self-centered, self-serving, and was sickening to read. You get the point, right? I'm not trying to have a legal argument with you or anyone over my take aways from a book that I read. I personally don't know anyone who calls themselves a "good Christian" who would go on like that, barely mentioning the lost life of the true victim in this case. He was not the victim, JBR was the victim! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-55109725134364970872016-10-12T17:08:16.043-04:002016-10-12T17:08:16.043-04:00 I have hope that your BDI/CBS gang - or at least ... I have hope that your BDI/CBS gang - or at least the more obstreperous among you - will lose interest soon, and we can return to a civil, intelligent exchange of ideas.<br />CC<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-60240730762733194452016-10-12T17:01:43.936-04:002016-10-12T17:01:43.936-04:00Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with your first para...Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with your first paragraph, Anon, your second paragraph is based on a logical fallacy known as the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.com