tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post4591025656118099199..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Either OrDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-70377635916640041502013-11-25T09:12:54.491-05:002013-11-25T09:12:54.491-05:00The note, ironically enough, saved him. But only b...The note, ironically enough, saved him. But only because the "experts" decided he could not have written it. The police were incompetent in the sense that they accepted the "expert's" verdict and never thought to question it. DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-30655722690344583362013-11-25T06:07:37.617-05:002013-11-25T06:07:37.617-05:00Did the note save him, or was it police incompeten...Did the note save him, or was it police incompetence? If he'd staged an intruder/sex murder - e.g. a home invasion, dead daughter, and sexual trauma- and that were sufficient probable cause for arrest, then why isn't the same situation, with the addition of an obviously hokey RN probable cause for arrest? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65661685556827302792013-11-19T16:29:36.055-05:002013-11-19T16:29:36.055-05:00That's true only because investigative blunder...<br />That's true only because investigative blunders soon turned the case into a comedy of errors. The note would have been no help to John at all if he hadn't been "ruled out" as writer. And don't forget, the same team of "experts" found it unlikely that Patsy wrote it.<br /><br />Other than that the note definitely made them look more suspicious than if there had been no note. Of course, to make a pedophile intruder likely, it would have been necessary for John to complete his window staging, and the note would have given him time to do that if Patsy hadn't called 911.<br /><br />The ironies do tend to abound in this case, I defintely agree with you on that point. If all had gone according to the original plan, John might easily have slipped up and gotten caught. What actually happened worked well for him because the BPD and DA could never sort out plan A from plan B and got hopelessly confused.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-8443895816981343622013-11-19T14:42:44.802-05:002013-11-19T14:42:44.802-05:00well i have read several times in posts here by va...well i have read several times in posts here by various posters that --- "with the dead body in the house the note made no sense, why not destroy the note and say there was a home invasion and JB was killed." Make no mistake---with a 6 year old dead daughter, and the sexual trauma in the vagina showing both current and previous wounds, and no kidnapping note present would have resulted in the immediate arrest and most likely 1st degree murder conviction of John B Ramsey. <br />so even tho PR may have foiled his plan and called 911 leaving him no time to stage the window and get rid of the body---that note ending up saving his azz any way you dice it up. it bought time at the very least. time to get lawyered up and ruled out and get PR on board with his scheme.<br />yes indeed, so far, that note has saved the life of JR. ironic isnt it? Tinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-7986498572248582102013-10-27T14:19:00.989-04:002013-10-27T14:19:00.989-04:00Interesting thought. But if she'd spent the ni...Interesting thought. But if she'd spent the night in the same outfit, it would have been a wrinkled mess in the morning. And she would no doubt have changed.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-74088217174818304752013-10-27T11:04:21.983-04:002013-10-27T11:04:21.983-04:00they had been at a party -- isn't it possible ...they had been at a party -- isn't it possible that she was super drunk and just passed out? which also explains why she was wearing the same clothes from the night before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-56588278390957723722013-10-17T10:54:13.671-04:002013-10-17T10:54:13.671-04:00I feel the same way as you regarding the difficult...I feel the same way as you regarding the difficulty of accepting that a parent would do such a thing to his child. I would honestly love to be proven wrong about John, because he comes across as a decent guy. But when you dig into the facts of this case, time and again you find him dissembling, prevaricating, not recalling, tossing out red herrings and at times blatantly lying. As I've written elsewhere, my goal is not to place John in the electric chair, but give him his day in court. If he is willing to answer the tough questions, and his answers are straightforward and convincing, I'll be happy to back off. However, my guess is that he'd refuse to testify if put on trial and leave it to his lawyers to argue his case, taking advantage of all the confusion and complexities to muddy the waters and go for reasonable doubt. <br /><br />As I recall, John did pay attention to the phone between the hours of 8 and 10. However, he disappeared from officer Arndt's sight shortly after that. He claimed he was checking his mail, but that doesn't account for the approximately 45 (or more) minutes he was off the radar. That gave him plenty of time to get out of the house and dispose of evidence, and also to head down to the basement to clean things up a bit there as well, if needed. Note, by the way, that Patsy was always present and accounted for during that entire time. I think Arndt's instincts were good. John is clearly the one she suspected from the start, while she later attempted to bond with Patsy.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-83346847608146610412013-10-16T22:39:57.404-04:002013-10-16T22:39:57.404-04:00Thank you for the reply. I think the reason this c...Thank you for the reply. I think the reason this case is so puzzling and fraustrating for most people and including myself is the brutality of it. The face that in our hearts we do not want to believe a parent or parents are capable of such horrible things. But, things like this has happened before and still happens. If we put our emotions aside and focus on facts it is clear to see how strangly John Ramsey acted the whole time. <br />For one thing it's unbelievable that he disappears time and time from the kitchen and living room area instead of waiting for the kidnappers to call! <br />According to the officer at the scene he was nowhere to be found for a long period of time. If it was me I would be sitting by that damn phone and so nervous I couldn't focus on anything else. But not John! He was able to make all sort of arrengments. <br />I like to know your thoughts on John's activity between morning hours and noon. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-26913634720431262652013-10-16T21:30:17.794-04:002013-10-16T21:30:17.794-04:00Excellent question. If the crime was premeditated,...Excellent question. If the crime was premeditated, and the note prepared ahead of time (see http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2013/07/premeditated.html for a discussion of this possibility), then he might have managed to drug Patsy and Burke, so they'd both sleep soundly. Or, if the decision to kill his daughter was made during the night, then Patsy awakening to find him absent from the bed would have been a very real risk. However, it's not at all unusual for men of his age to need to urinate in the middle of the night, so if she had awakened and noticed he wasn't there, she'd probably have assumed he was in the bathroom and just turned over and went back to sleep, and then completely forgotten about it in the morning. According to her testimony, she was in fact awakened by John the next morning, when he was taking a shower. My guess is that he never returned to the bed at all that night. I find it interesting that she never testified that she actually saw him in bed next to her at any time, but simply slept soundly all night.<br /><br />If she HAD noticed that he wasn't in bed, and had gotten up to investigate, then she too may have been murdered that night -- by the same "intruder" no doubt.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-20734581584212932212013-10-16T21:17:45.666-04:002013-10-16T21:17:45.666-04:00A computer printout would have been easy to trace ...A computer printout would have been easy to trace back to his printer, because, as you imply, the printheads on every such device have unique signs of wear that would show up on microscopic examination of the printout. Of course, if he were planning on destroying the note, and claiming the kidnappers wanted it returned, that really wouldn't have mattered. A more likely reason for not printing it would have been the noise of the printer, which could have awakened Patsy or Burke. Or, if he'd planned this in advance, and wrote it while at the airport, he may not have had access to a printer and been forced to write by hand. He could have written it initially on his laptop and used the computer font as a guide when printing by hand, or might even have traced at least part of it. See my analysis of the note here: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/08/ruled-out-part-3-courier-new.html<br /><br />His response isn't very convincing because, of course, an intruder would also have wanted to type such a note, and would also have brought a pre-prepared note with him, rather than hand print it while in the house.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-15638351543177319872013-10-16T13:50:11.311-04:002013-10-16T13:50:11.311-04:00I have been following the Ramsey's case for a ...I have been following the Ramsey's case for a long time and I was convinced Patsy did it until I came across your blog. Very interesting and thank you! <br /><br />I have a question for you that has been puzzling me. If John was awake all night to cover up the murder and write the ransom note, wouldn't he worry about Patsy waking up and not finding him in bed? Didn't she hear anything or saw her husband not by her side all night? I mean if it was me I probably would wake up by him sneaking in the bed or perhaps a noise? Interested to know what you think. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-61726507063835575652013-10-16T11:05:03.724-04:002013-10-16T11:05:03.724-04:00I was reviewing the JR 1998 interview and Mike Kan...I was reviewing the JR 1998 interview and Mike Kane asks JR if the RN was written as to frame him. JR responds with if he wrote the RN he would of typed it instead of handwriting it. Sick. He probably typed it out first and realized it could be tracked back to his computer or whatever so he had to resort to copying it by hand. alexandraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-14310586447655545582013-10-12T12:50:04.562-04:002013-10-12T12:50:04.562-04:00Semen was not found everywhere. Or anywhere, reall...Semen was not found everywhere. Or anywhere, really. They found a blanket with JAR's semen on it, enclosed in a suitcase, I believe. That's it. She was very thoroughly wiped down and I suspect that any semen that might have been spilled on her body was pretty thoroughly wiped away. Also the fact that she was redressed in fresh panties suggests that some semen had spilled on her original panties.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-85295112829966128382013-10-12T12:36:25.406-04:002013-10-12T12:36:25.406-04:00You've done great work on the RB.How it was fi... You've done great work on the RB.How it was first drafted on a computer(something new you've discovered) points even more so towards JR cause he was an "office guy". Also it's a smart plan under stressfull time constraints. My read on Patsy is not that she was dumb but definately not methodical in thinking. Patsy was the artist type, able to write a poem or host a spectacular party on a moments notice but she was a slob, unorganised,baddled with weight issues(bad impulse control). JR was the opposite. Quite,neat,professional,bland. Only a cool head could write that note after killing their daughter. The only thing I'm stuck on is if it's JR why did the semen found everywhere not match him? alexandra <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-48055733660892895362013-10-11T23:10:01.441-04:002013-10-11T23:10:01.441-04:00You've done a lot of good work on the handwrit...You've done a lot of good work on the handwriting. I't s too bad people new to the case tend first to go to the forums (places where common sense goes to die) and get inundated with "It's PR's handwriting". If they could see your blog first, before spending years convincing themselves they "see" PR's hand, there might be a chance they could figure out who did it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-24052266270714818172013-10-11T13:57:19.154-04:002013-10-11T13:57:19.154-04:00Thanks, KH. It amazes me that Darnay was so willin...Thanks, KH. It amazes me that Darnay was so willing to challenge the "experts" conclusions on Patsy, yet had no problem with their exoneration of John. These same "experts" found it "unlikely" that Patsy had written the note, but had failed to rule her out. That fine distinction, never questioned, was enough to throw the entire case into a tailspin. And now, so many years later, it is still spinning around aimlessly, back and forth, between Patsy (also Burke) and the "intruder," despite the fact that neither possibility makes sense.<br /><br />Linda Hoffman-Pugh was recruited by Darnay as part of his continuing effort to pin the crime on Patsy. Linda was justifiably upset by team Ramsey's attempts to implicate her and also tempted by the possibility of a book deal, negotiated, naturally, by her new lawyer, Darnay Hoffman. Her story did get picked up by the Globe, so she did make some money, but I feel sure her principal motive was anger at Patsy for tossing her under that bus. Linda said some really nasty things about Patsy (after having initially defended her), but as she never witnessed the murder, she had no more clue than anyone else as to who did it.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-52394418751577458522013-10-11T12:13:06.539-04:002013-10-11T12:13:06.539-04:00Boom. John Ramsey needs to be put before a jury. ...Boom. John Ramsey needs to be put before a jury. Shame on Boulder for allowing this fallacy to happen. What other citizen of American can get themselves ruled out of suspicion for a crime they might have committed based on a handwriting analysis of any sort? It is not allowable in court; also, judges understand that an attempt at disguising one's handwriting is not the same thing as forgery and thus these analyses cannot be convicting, and finally, who the hell is this man Darnay Hoffman that he and his hired hands can circumvent justice in the death of a child? Shame on Darnay -- I wonder how much he and Linda Hoffman-Pugh were paid for their role in this farce. Doc, you did it again, laid it out for anyone who is engaged in logical thought about this case. -KHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com