tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post3715731801928853637..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Making the CaseDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-46562886351949035682016-09-14T22:27:45.828-04:002016-09-14T22:27:45.828-04:00John's original plan would NOT have included h...John's original plan would NOT have included his story about breaking the window earlier. This was originally supposed to look like a fresh break made by the intruder on the night of the crime. He couldn't simply leave a door unlocked because both Patsy and Linda the housekeeper knew those doors were always locked.<br /><br />When Patsy called 911, that ruined his plan, because he had never had a chance to complete the staging and had been planning on doing that the following night. What exactly happened prior to and immediately after the arrival of the police is not clear, nor is it clear when John realized his window staging was about to backfire. But when he did realize that, then it was important for him to go down to the basement, clean up the broken glass, close the window, and come up with his story about breaking in earlier. If he had not done that, the staging at the window would have been obvious and he would have been arrested that day.<br /><br />As for the glass, my guess is that he quickly collected it in a paper or plastic bag and hid the bag in a corner of that very messy basement. Later, during the period when he went AWOL on Det. Arndt, he could have smashed the glass in the bag with his foot until only the tiniest fragments remained. These could then have been flushed down the toilet.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-41796546594326885992016-09-14T19:14:54.450-04:002016-09-14T19:14:54.450-04:00You can ignore my follow-up question... in reading...You can ignore my follow-up question... in reading some other old posts I saw a small conversation about some ideas about where the glass went in the comments. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-23042631448337763992016-09-14T19:14:06.983-04:002016-09-14T19:14:06.983-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03988211773200305175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-64817523680501284152016-09-14T17:31:23.404-04:002016-09-14T17:31:23.404-04:00I know this is an old post, but like many others, ...I know this is an old post, but like many others, I have had some renewed interest in this case with all of the specials that have been being aired in the past couple of weeks, and I just stumbled across this post. My biggest problem/question would be this (please don't take this as a criticism of your theory-- I'm genuinely curious what your thoughts on this would be):<br /><br />If we are assuming that her death began as an accident that was covered up (whether by J acting alone or J&P acting together), we are acknowledging that he/they were crunched for time in setting up and staging the kidnapper/intruder scenario. I haven't seen any theories that this was a premeditated killing, so that is the assumption that I am sticking with for this question. Why would J's solution for "someone got into the house" have him go through the time and risk of breaking a window, cleaning up the broken glass, and coming up with this insane story about breaking the window a long time ago and never fixing it, knowing that he would have both P and the housekeeper as people who could present problems for that story, rather than simply unlocking one of the many doors to the home and claiming that he had forgotten to double check all of the doors that evening? I feel like the latter story would be a much easier one to sell (We were in a rush trying to get to the Christmas party on time, then when we got home we were trying to get both kids to bed and make sure everything was ready for our early flight in the morning, so it just slipped my mind to go back downstairs to check), whereas as an unfixed broken window for weeks/months at a time in Colorado with all of the precipitation and pests would be something that he would have to know that many people would find hard to believe (especially since we know P was pretty particular about her home). I know that there is no way to get inside of his mind and know what he was thinking, I just find it hard to believe that if his thought was "I have to make this look like someone got in here" and he was in a hurry, he would think through that whole window nonsense rather than unlocking a side or back door. <br /><br />A follow-up question, I guess, was if we know whether or not the garbage bins were searched? If he broke the window that night and cleaned up the glass, the glass should have been found somewhere in one of the trash cans. It has always been my understanding that after the body was found and they were all taken to the friends' home, a more thorough search of the house was done. Is that assumption incorrect? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-88663361065971885702016-09-11T09:46:46.888-04:002016-09-11T09:46:46.888-04:00We have no way of knowing what went on prior to th...We have no way of knowing what went on prior to the 911 call. For all we know he did handle it before she did. I think he must have felt confident that the warnings in the note would have been enough to frighten her into not calling. He did indeed take a huge risk. But he had no choice. And he was wrong. Amazingly, he got away with it anyhow.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-83893720797078544482016-09-11T09:33:42.231-04:002016-09-11T09:33:42.231-04:00Hey DocG,
Your theory makes most sense out of all...Hey DocG,<br /><br />Your theory makes most sense out of all that exist...I have one question, if John intended for the note to serve as a deterrent to buy time, why didn't he make sure to be the first one to handle it before Patsy did? It seems very risky to just assume that by writing what he did that indeed Patsy wouldn't call the police especially since his whole plan hung on her not calling them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15983493637303531222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-71956444752746403962016-09-11T09:23:15.796-04:002016-09-11T09:23:15.796-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15983493637303531222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-70902861630077860902013-02-16T22:04:43.982-05:002013-02-16T22:04:43.982-05:00Hі, Neаt poѕt. There's a problem along with yo...Hі, Neаt poѕt. There's a problem along with your web site in web explorer, could check this? IE nonetheless is the market chief and a large component of people will leave out your great writing because of this problem.<br /><br />Check out my blog :: <a href="http://www.freelancereview.net/diamondlinks-a-reliable-resource-for-high-quality-backlinks/" rel="nofollow">DiamondLinks.net</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-23058418616434019582013-02-13T22:26:54.697-05:002013-02-13T22:26:54.697-05:00This desіgn іs incгedible! Yοu most ceгtaіnlу
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Hint: he thinks it's total bunk.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-18016726640004553202013-01-10T11:17:01.913-05:002013-01-10T11:17:01.913-05:00What you see on the broken glass in the police vid...What you see on the broken glass in the police video is NOT a cobweb but fragments of a broken cobweb. Spiders do not weave fragmentary webs, but complete ones, like the web in the corner of the window sill. So the fragments you see clinging to the broken glass are fully consistent with the window having been broken the previous night. The web on the corner of the window sill tells us no one went through that window, and I agree. But it has no bearing on the broken pane.<br /><br />As I see it, John must have opened the window, leaned over to break the pane from the outside, so the glass would fall inward. In so doing he would have broken a cobweb already attached to the pane. He must have been pressed for time, so never had a chance to complete his staging, which, if Patsy hadn't called 911, he would have had time for during the following day or night.<br /><br />There is NO other explanation for that window scene. Moreover, if the police had determined the window had been broken earlier they'd have had no reason to question both John and Patsy about it at such length, and on two different occasions. Imo it would not be difficult to prove John lied about breaking in earlier, and the only reason for such a lie would be as an alibi to point away from his breaking the window the night of the crime. If you are still skeptical, I urge you to read what I've written about this window, beginning with this post: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/08/clear-evidence-of-staging-basement.html<br /><br />As for the DNA and the ransom note, if you check out the blog archive you'll find what I've posted on these matters. The DNA is inconclusive and the ransom note could only have been written by John.<br /><br />As far as the open windows and doors are concerned, that story is pure red herring. The police checked the premises very carefully that AM and found NO open doors, no unlocked doors, no windows that showed signs of a breakin. DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-33367965530648052032013-01-10T10:21:25.645-05:002013-01-10T10:21:25.645-05:00One other thing I would like to add is that we are...One other thing I would like to add is that we are not privy to knowledge of ALL of the evidence in this case. So in trying to postulate theories about this, we need to bear that in mind.Jegheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494512907963666965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-37969209977380206132013-01-10T10:17:32.227-05:002013-01-10T10:17:32.227-05:00The window was NOT broken on the night of the murd...The window was NOT broken on the night of the murder. Police video clearly shows cobwebs in the broken parts of the glass as well as accross the opening of the window. And this video was made hours after the discovery of the body. This wasn't part of any staging. I go back and forth with my suspicions of who did this, but three of the things that I keep getting stuck on are these....(1 DNA found in at least three differnet locations on the body of an unknown white male.(2 The fact that someone told her he was coming to see her after christmas and that it was "a secret". (3 That damned ransom note!! There are many, many theories out there about this case and most of the ones I've read seem to ignore those first two very important facts. And again, on the point of entry of a possible intruder, the police report stated that were windows that were unlocked and at least one door. So there were numerous ways someone could've gained access to the residence. The only thing I DO know about this case is that I want justice for this little girl!!Jegheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494512907963666965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-55511162266073813632012-10-13T18:24:06.848-04:002012-10-13T18:24:06.848-04:00i believe the 911 call was part of the staging jus...i believe the 911 call was part of the staging just like the ransom note. the garotte is such a strange device to leave as part of the staging. who ever constructed that device must have been sick.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />lee dumetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069478296393921019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-39106410792811985032012-10-13T14:02:56.727-04:002012-10-13T14:02:56.727-04:00docg
Thank you for your kind words.
What I`ve w...docg<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words. <br /><br />What I`ve written here hopefully contributes to someday someone coming forth and telling the truth about JB`s death. You certainly have done a remarkable job by your contributions doc.<br /><br />With that I`m out of here. Good sleuthing doc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-50118963513028141122012-10-13T08:54:33.528-04:002012-10-13T08:54:33.528-04:00OK, thanks for clarifying your theory and filling ...OK, thanks for clarifying your theory and filling in the details. What impresses me most is your recognition of the problem posed by the early 911 call and the need to explain it. Most theories simply ignore this aspect, which imo is a huge mistake. <br /><br />Your explanation makes sense as far as it goes. By calling the police they would have signed their daughter's "death warrant" as far as the "kidnappers" were concerned, so they could argue later that this mistake on their part caused their daughter's death.<br /><br />My biggest problem with your theory, however, is the assumption that the police would neither search the house nor monitor the activities of the Ramseys. K9 sniffing dogs would not be needed to search a house for a body, so I can't see that as a factor. A search is a search, and one of the first places to look for a body is in a freezer, so it's hard for me to see why they'd consider that a good place to hide the body.<br /><br />Nevertheless I must say I'm impressed by this aspect of your thinking because you at least make an attempt to cover all the bases, which hardly anyone else has done. So thanks for sharing your very interesting ideas.<br /><br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-34666103989911452992012-10-12T13:27:38.227-04:002012-10-12T13:27:38.227-04:00docg
To help you understand my reasoning, I will ...docg<br /><br />To help you understand my reasoning, I will present my theory of the crime here. I think you are having trouble understanding me for two reasons: my entire theory needs to be read instead of parts of it to pull together the context of the theory, and, my thought process sometimes is betrayed by my writing, i.e., unclear writing style, and that`s my fault for which I apologize.<br /><br />1. JB suffered an accident about 11:00 - 12:00 am 25 Dec. I believe John and Patsy Ramsey were present at the time of the accident. The curtains behind the headboard of JB`s bed were found to be pulled down and in disarray. There could be several reasons for this but my belief is that John grabbed the curtains in an attempt to hold himself up as he fell backward onto JB`s body. I think they both fell backward together with JB`s head wedged between a night stand and John`s backside. The weight of John`s body falling downward onto JB`s head caused the head wound. I believe JB`s skull had not reached it`s full potential (because of her age)in strength and this lack of strength was a contributing factor to her head wound.<br /><br />Patsy may have reacted to the molestation of JB by John by attacking JB. Patsy`s reaction could have been a result, in part, by the stress of the holidays and the upcoming trip to Disneyland. JB sought protection from her mother by standing behind her father.<br /><br />JB fell unconscious in a coma. Her vital signs were faint but she was breathing and alive. Outside a hospital setting it would be near impossible to stabilize her and limit the consequences of her injury. Her head had been crushed and not bludgeoned. If her head had been bludgeoned, the blow would have caused a cut in the scalp and bleeding which would be visible in the hair.<br /><br />I believe the parents tried to "wake her up" out of the coma. They may have called their family physician asking for medical advice. They may have called their lawyer asking for legal advice. I think they both came to the conclusion that they would be locked up for physical/sexual abuse of a minor if they took her to a hospital. The thought of leaving Burke alone factored into their decision.<br /><br />They may have felt that because JB was their child they could ultimately do what was necessary to put her to sleep forever, similar to euthanasia, w/o incrimination. Basically she was their child and they had the God-given right to determine her fate. The thought process behind the euthanasia was all about allowing the Ramseys to live with themselves and carry on in spite of killing JB.<br /><br />Patsy said, while she was at the Furnie residence after the Ramseys left their home never to return, that they did not mean for this to happen. This is a very telling statement. This leads me to believe that an accident occurred that involved JB that Christmas night in the Ramsey home.<br /><br />At about 5:00 am, they decided to come up with a plan to stay out of jail. Their plan included staging JB`s body and write a ransom note to fake a kidnapping of JB. They then called 911 at about 5:50 am and the rest is history. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-70960029126376023742012-10-12T11:39:47.572-04:002012-10-12T11:39:47.572-04:00doc
This is my theory regarding John`s original p...doc<br /><br />This is my theory regarding John`s original plan.<br /><br />1. Hide her body in a freezer located in the basement, until it can be moved to an area in or near Boulder. John probably knew the area where he would take her body. My guess is that he would move her at night, preferably a snowy night, to cover his tracks. He would want to place her body in deep snow to be found after the snow melt.<br /><br />2. Stage the body to appear that she was tortured and sexually abused by a terrorist gang.<br /><br />3. Write a ransom note "blaming" the fake kidnapping on a foreign faction (terrorists) and to change the focus of the search for JB from the Ramsey house to the Boulder area. The hope was for LE to eventually leave the house unguarded so John could move the body.<br /><br />4. Make a 911 emergency call as a pretext for the murder of JB. With her death there would be no good reason for the foreign faction to stick around and call for the ransom.<br /><br />John`s original plan did not consider the police K-9 unit. LE placed the unit on standby and John had to change his plan.<br /><br />Considering the time constraints (they were hurried as evidenced by the crossed-out word in the note) John devised a decent plan. But the best laid plans of mice and men ofter run astray, as per Shakespare. Or, summarizing Murphy`s Law, no matter how much planning is done, if something within the plan has a chance to go wrong, then it probably will go wrong. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-33711776533660928942012-10-11T19:06:55.705-04:002012-10-11T19:06:55.705-04:00docg
The original plan was a kidnapping. It chang...docg<br /><br />The original plan was a kidnapping. It changed to an intruder when his lawyers and Lou Smit had enough info and time to set up a defense for the Ramseys. You think the intruder theory was John`s idea but that is far from the truth. John and Patsy altered their testimony to be in harmony with Team Ramsey`s intruder theory.<br /><br />The plan changed because LE placed a K-9 unit on standby. Apparently they were ready to bring the sniffing dogs over to the Ramsey house and search for JB. That forced John to "wing it" so he moved JB`s body from where he had hidden it to the wine cellar so it could be found in plan sight. His choices at this time were very limited. I believe John expected to be arrested after JB`s body was found. I`m sure he was very surprised LE let him and Patsy go to his friend`s house.<br /><br />docg, if John acts alone, i.e., does not allow Patsy to make the 911 call, asks her to go to the neighbors with Burke, he becomes responsible for the death of JB if he makes a mistake and his plan falls apart. John did not want to act alone since he always had the option of blaming Patsy. Remember John gave Patsy`s pad of paper that was used to write the ransom note to LE. IMO, what he was actually doing was setting up Patsy as a prime suspect. Then he would support her, as he did when Steve Thomas accused her of murdering JB, and she would have to support him. The Ramseys would have to work together and that is exactly what they did.<br /><br />Thus IMO John wanted Patsy right by his side the entire time of the ordeal. His plan included the 911 call.<br /><br />According to John`s original plan, the phonecall by the fake kidnappers for the ransom would never be made. There was no need for it. The fake kidnappers killed her because the parents disobeyed the instructions in the ransom note and disappeared.<br /><br />Team Ramsay would never allow the Ramsey house to be searched. They would be insulted.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-29929144727058578942012-10-11T14:15:12.328-04:002012-10-11T14:15:12.328-04:00Thanks for the clarification. But I still can'...Thanks for the clarification. But I still can't buy your theory. For one thing, there's no way the Ramseys would assume their house would not be searched. Not with the memory of Susan Smith still fresh in everyone's mind. For another, the body was found, by John, in the house. Why would he decide to find it in the house if he were planning on dumping it days or weeks later? And how could she have been murdered by the "kidnappers" if she'd been in the house the whole time?<br /><br />"John could make a fake ransom call but he must leave the house and I doubt he would be allowed to leave alone, especially during the 26/27 Dec timeframe."<br /><br />If the police had not been called, he could certainly have persuaded Patsy and Burke to stay with neighbors while he dealt with the "kidnappers." He would then be home alone and could do whatever he pleased with no one to stop him.<br /><br />"It would be at great risk to John if he made a phone call from a payphone faking a call for the ransom. If he wanted to leave a message, he would need special equipment to disguise his voice. But if he called and just clicked, what good would that do as far as LE accepting the click as a call from the "kidnappers"?"<br /><br />Why would he have wanted to leave a message? All that would be needed was a call to the house, completed automatically by his answering machine. He would have said nothing at all and the machine would have recorded nothing at all. So what? What was needed was a record that a call was made from a phone booth to his house, and lasted for so many minutes. The phone company doesn't record your calls, it just keeps a record of when they were made and for how long. So John could have claimed anything he wanted about that call. He could have told the police the kidnappers called and instructed him to go to a certain place to deliver the ransom, and that's where he went.<br /><br />No need to worry about whether the house would be searched or wait days or weeks to dump the body.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-12955714750134808992012-10-10T16:36:54.042-04:002012-10-10T16:36:54.042-04:00docg
The call had to be made immediately after th...docg<br /><br />The call had to be made immediately after the ransom note was found. The call is the reason JB is dead. The Ramseys disobeyed the instructions on the ransom note and thus she was killed. The "kidnappers" do not have to call for the ransom. Later on when LE finds JB`s body in a remote area of Boulder, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that JB was killed because her parents disobeyed the "kidnappers"`s instructions and the "kidnappers" felt a call for the ransom was too risky so they just disappeared w/o making the ransom call.<br /><br />John could make a fake ransom call but he must leave the house and I doubt he would be allowed to leave alone, especially during the 26/27 Dec timeframe. It would be at great risk to John if he made a phone call from a payphone faking a call for the ransom. If he wanted to leave a message, he would need special equipment to disguise his voice. But if he called and just clicked, what good would that do as far as LE accepting the click as a call from the "kidnappers"? It`s the same as not calling at all since it`s inconclusive. A fake ransom call by John is much too risky, especially when the nice, neat, risk free solution is the 911 call which resulted in the "kidnappers" killing JB and disappearing from the scene all together w/o needing to call for the ransom.<br /><br />TOD is not an exact science. Meyer did not give a TOD for that very reason.<br /><br />There were no kidnappers. So only the Ramseys could have removed her body from the house. That was much too risky or John would have carried in out. We must deal with what actually happened. What actually happened is John had control of the body, he moved it from where he had it hidden, her body was found in the house and the perp changed from "kidnappers" to intruder. The original plan had to include removing JB`s body from the home, however we disagree on when the plan allowed for removal. You say she was to be removed on 26/27 Dec, I say 3 days to 3 weeks later.<br /><br />To me, 5:00 am is important as that was the latest time they could wait to try to revive JB from her coma. IMO, they had about one hour to stage the body and write the ransom note before they called 911 (i.e. 5:00 am to 5:52 am when they made the call).<br /><br />There was evidence to get a conviction, however most of the evidence was circumstancial. But there are people in prison today convicted by circumstancial evidence. Charles Manson comes to mind. It just so happened that the Boulder DA did not want to try the case based mainly on circumstancial evidence. <br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-37063448459566913112012-10-09T10:26:14.536-04:002012-10-09T10:26:14.536-04:00Sorry, Anonymous, but it's awfully hard for me...Sorry, Anonymous, but it's awfully hard for me to follow your reasoning. Are you saying the police had to be called early in order to explain why JonBenet was killed? Because of the warning in the note that she'd be killed if they contacted the authorities? Many kidnappers end up killing their victims, even after the family has complied with all their demands, so it's hard for me to see why it would be essential for the Ramseys to call the police so early. Also, the body was found IN the house, which tells us no kidnapping took place anyhow.<br /><br />If you're concerned about time of death, that's been estimated as around 1 AM, I believe. But there's no reason to assume the kidnapper couldn't have killed her then and taken the dead body out of the house anyhow. So time of death wouldn't be a factor as far as my theory about John's plan is concerned. And according to my theory, a call "from the kidnappers" COULD have been made -- by John, calling his answering machine from a pay phone.<br /><br />I have no idea why 5:00 AM is so important to you. Or why you seem to think it's important to me. The 911 call was made around 5:50 as I recall, shortly after they reported waking up. <br /><br />"There is only one scenario IMO where the Ramsey`s could have called their grown children and the pilot to cancel the trip before discovering the ransom note. And that is immediately after 5:00 am. They could tell LE that Patsy called right after the alarm woke them up." This really mystifies me. Why 5 AM? If both John and Patsy were in it together, they could easily have cancelled their trip, using illness as an excuse. I'm not sure why you see that as a problem, or why the police would find that suspicious. If they are trying to deal with the kidnapping of their daughter then naturally they would have had to cancel their trip. Am I missing something?<br /><br />As far as the police finding their story suspicious, I think that goes without saying. Sure they'd be suspicious. But if the plan had been carried out successfully, there would be NO evidence linking them to the crime. And without evidence there can be no prosecution.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-17239421787851740262012-10-08T16:50:10.579-04:002012-10-08T16:50:10.579-04:00docg
I believed as you do that the ransom note g...docg <br /><br />I believed as you do that the ransom note gave John the necessary time and motive to remove the body from the house as he drove to pick up the ransom from the bank. Today I don`t. The call was made for two very good reasons. It had to be made since JB was already dead (it gave the fake kidnappers the reason for killing her) and thus the reason for the fake kidnappers not making a call to demand the ransom. The call made when it was made makes sense in that context.<br /><br />The ransom note discusses three things:<br /><br />1) that JB was kidnapped and that she is alive and safe;<br /><br />2) the donomination of the ransom and time of delivery;<br /><br />3) if you call the police we will kill her.<br /><br />It is verbose but basically it is a standard type ransom note. I don`t read anything else into it.<br /><br />They couldn`t discover the ransom note sooner than 5:00 am. She wasn`t dead until close to 5:00 am, according to my theory.<br /><br />There is only one scenario IMO where the Ramsey`s could have called their grown children and the pilot to cancel the trip before discovering the ransom note. And that is immediately after 5:00 am. They could tell LE that Patsy called right after the alarm woke them up.<br /><br />But it would appear to be awfully suspicious that they 1) cancel their trip, 2) remove JB`s body from the house, 3)collect the ransom from the bank, 4) pay the ransom and 5) then finally call the police. Given 1 through 5 above, it certainly would appear to be an inside job.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-22753034168650772032012-10-08T14:10:12.319-04:002012-10-08T14:10:12.319-04:00I'm sorry, Anonymous, but I find your interpre...I'm sorry, Anonymous, but I find your interpretation very difficult to understand. It seems clear to me that John's original plan would have involved calling the family and the pilot to cancel the Charlevoix trip. This would have taken place after Patsy had read the note and agreed not to call the police. No need to make such a call before she found the note or before 5:00 AM. <br /><br />All he'd have to tell them is that someone got sick. The plan would NOT have involved calling the police at that time, but when they finally did call the police the cancellation could easily have been explained by the necessity of dealing with the kidnappers and raising the ransom.<br /><br />I'm puzzled as to why you seem to think they might have considered cancelling the trip before 5:00 (assuming they were both involved). If they were both involved, they could have reported finding the note at any time, even in the middle of the night, if they chose.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.com