tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post8686234521284859103..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Waiting for DevelopmentsDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger221125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-31578950735481494372017-04-04T18:17:35.971-04:002017-04-04T18:17:35.971-04:00It’s the attorney James Sammataro"s opinion t...It’s the attorney James Sammataro"s opinion that BR meets the definition of limited public figure (or involuntary limited public figure). Even with a limited public figure designation, the plaintiff has to prove actual malice on the part of CBS or Spitz. James Sammataro is a top defamation attorney within the entertainment industry. If it is still available you can listen to the podcast here: https://craigsilverman.podbean.com/e/the-craig-silverman-show-jan-7-2017-hr-2/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-28974745987357816432017-03-11T03:31:06.587-05:002017-03-11T03:31:06.587-05:00Bingo, R Smith.
Everyone seems to have a need to ...Bingo, R Smith. <br />Everyone seems to have a need to believe that Patsy, who they see as an image obsessed, drama queen, brutally murdered her daughter in a late night frenzy, because most feel more comfortable blaming the mother in cases like this - because on some level, they resent her for not protecting her daughter, if nothing else. They blame Patsy because she put her daughter in pageants and dyed her hair - they get delight out of punishing Patsy for her poor parental choices. I am fed up to the eyeballs with John getting a free pass from the media, LE, the public, the "experts".....and as time goes on I am losing more and more faith in humanity. So many are continuing to point the finger at a dead woman (the worst part being that she was perhaps the *only* person in JB's life who actually cared for her), when the killer LIVES and walks free! But give John another free pass.....why not? He's gone undetected for this long, who cares about justice when it's more satisfying to blame mommy, who was just "asking for it" once she put her daughter in those pageants? Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-64167722145879027732017-03-11T02:59:24.567-05:002017-03-11T02:59:24.567-05:00"JBR was talking.....about how much she misse..."JBR was talking.....about how much she missed her dad because he was traveling and even started crying about it. To me, that doesn't sound like a girl who is being sexually abused by her father."<br /><br />A. The abuse may have not yet began.<br />B. Zach is correct - none of us here know whether that is typical behaviour of a child being molested by a parent, who - to all intents and purposes - loves them. You are looking at her affection for her father in purely black and white terms, but a six year old child who loves her father - who may also be her abuser - is a lot more complex than a simple case of "love or hate". There are documented cases online where abuse victims say they "loved" their father very much, despite the fact they feared him as their abuser.<br />C. At six years old, it might be very difficult for a child to differentiate between normal parental affection and inappropriate conduct. JonBenet may genuinely (at first, at least) not have known her father's actions were wrong.<br /><br /><br />The overwhelming evidence points towards JB having been abused. Continuing to deny it is why so many abusers get away with it and why so many victims don't speak up. <br /><br />Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-36373491999638116942017-03-10T13:10:13.513-05:002017-03-10T13:10:13.513-05:00Reasonable enough, I would think. Reasonable enough, I would think. DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-13598701760834172112017-03-10T13:04:35.028-05:002017-03-10T13:04:35.028-05:00C'mon Doc, we don't KNOW any of these thin...C'mon Doc, we don't KNOW any of these things. It's all conjecture. Reasonable conjecture perhaps, but conjecture nonetheless.John I.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10042984817701080159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-52895993576363110862017-03-10T08:44:10.153-05:002017-03-10T08:44:10.153-05:00*killed her*killed herRSmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153211121413841651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-2600915782774631712017-03-10T08:43:35.383-05:002017-03-10T08:43:35.383-05:00Too often I've noticed that people are trying ...Too often I've noticed that people are trying to make this a "perfect murder" and it's just that John got lucky. If certain things had been done differently, we wouldn't be discussing it on this blog. And John has been misdirecting the public for 20 years. Too much time is spent analyzing Patsy's actions because people STILL are horrified by the notion that John abused his daughter and killed imher. It is misogyny. RSmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153211121413841651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-5992779612520805562017-03-10T08:31:38.171-05:002017-03-10T08:31:38.171-05:00And Patsy probably suffered from chemo brain. And Patsy probably suffered from chemo brain. RSmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153211121413841651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-86182664904498623232017-03-10T06:49:39.510-05:002017-03-10T06:49:39.510-05:00"And nothing about Patsy's unexpected 911..."And nothing about Patsy's unexpected 911 call would have changed that, as far as I can see."<br /><br />I absolutely disagree. <br />If Patsy had not made the call, John would have disposed of JB, the notepad, and any other incriminating evidence. By the time LE were called to the home, they would not have had any reason to doubt a genuine kidnapping had taken place, JB was gone - there was no need to doubt she had, in fact, been abducted by a foreign faction, or at least someone claiming to belong to one.<br />After Patsy called 911, John could no longer sell the abduction by a foreign faction story - he knew the cops wouldn't buy it because kidnappers seeking a ransom TAKE their victims with them. So, John being the helpful fellow he is, told them point blank it was "an inside job", handed over the note pad he was originally going to dispose of, because the note had been written on Patsy's note pad, just as he chose to use Patsy's paintbrush in the staging. Perhaps he drew the heart on JB's hand as a final, Patsy "touch".....I think he saw it was inevitably going to come down to one of them, so he threw his disposable wife under the bus in order to protect himself. However, soon into the investigation I think it became rather apparent that if Patsy went down, he was probably going to go down with her, so he changed his tack - again - and presented a united front. <br />I don't know if I believe this is actually what happened or not, but I fully believe John is capable of using anyone/everyone around him as a scapegoat when necessary - even JAR and Burke if it suits his purposes. You believe he would have killed the rest of his family if the situation called for it.....so is framing his wife in order to take the heat off himself really that much of a stretch? <br /> Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-46278013122471273742017-03-10T06:26:47.747-05:002017-03-10T06:26:47.747-05:00As I've said, I do believe his initial plan wa...As I've said, I do believe his initial plan was to steer the investigation out of the house - of course it was, he was selling the foreign faction scenario. But that original plan didn't involve a dead body being discovered in the basement, and it probably involved the note pad being destroyed. Once LE knew the murder was probably committed by someone in the home, John figured it was better to incriminate Patsy in the hopes of steering the suspicion away from himself.....which, if that was the case, it totally worked. <br />But I'm not convinced of this theory. It's just something I toy with from time to time.....and I blame CC for that, as the idea had never occurred to me until she mentioned the possibility! She's knows her stuff, so perhaps she's on to something..... Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-2899259274038735272017-03-09T22:02:42.441-05:002017-03-09T22:02:42.441-05:00Waaal . . . . we DO know for sure that she was kil...Waaal . . . . we DO know for sure that she was killed in her own home. We know for sure that there was no intruder. We know for sure that if her mother struck her by accident she'd have called for an ambulance rather than penetrating her vagina and strangling her. We know for sure that her mother had no motive for killing her deliberately. We know for sure that if her brother struck her, her parents would have called for an ambulance rather than penetrating her vagina and strangling her. So, by process of elimination we DO know who killed her. Maybe that's enough?DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-28816723395639758232017-03-09T18:23:42.973-05:002017-03-09T18:23:42.973-05:00"Gumshoe, we don't know how long she was ..."Gumshoe, we don't know how long she was being molested"<br /><br />We don't even know for sure IF she was being molested.John I.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10042984817701080159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-31291472610989187072017-03-09T13:42:01.547-05:002017-03-09T13:42:01.547-05:00In addition, iirc, the 7th was John's birthday...In addition, iirc, the 7th was John's birthday, the day of the Boulder Christmas Parade, Nedra was babysitting and the Ramseys were in NYC with the Stines.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07982213709500570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-17309924618221294432017-03-09T13:23:56.426-05:002017-03-09T13:23:56.426-05:00It wasn't in the autopsy report, an altogether...It wasn't in the autopsy report, an altogether poor example of same, particularly in a case of homicide. She never, to my knowledge, addressed it anywhere other than to express shock in her 1998 LE interview.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07982213709500570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-81747100698476621522017-03-09T13:17:52.643-05:002017-03-09T13:17:52.643-05:00Did PR ever respond publically to the reports of s...Did PR ever respond publically to the reports of sexual abuse in the autopsy report? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-87716210457933437582017-03-09T12:56:59.863-05:002017-03-09T12:56:59.863-05:00Trujillo, or whomever, was asking questions from a...Trujillo, or whomever, was asking questions from a prepared list and just mis-read the date - 17 became 7; easy to do in depositions and interviews while one is trying to think faster than speak.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07982213709500570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47515792553384010042017-03-09T12:54:37.273-05:002017-03-09T12:54:37.273-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07982213709500570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-91864559710719007552017-03-09T12:54:09.823-05:002017-03-09T12:54:09.823-05:00The prior sexual abuse was bandied about not long ...The prior sexual abuse was bandied about not long after the autopsy, and documented by the medical experts in 1997. The whole world read about it in the media not long after. The Ramseys had media consultants who would have kept them abreast of what was being reported. Unlikely she heard of it for the first time in her 1998 sit down with LE.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07982213709500570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-26247782444056735252017-03-09T12:52:24.723-05:002017-03-09T12:52:24.723-05:00Then that calls into question everything acandyros...Then that calls into question everything acandyrose prints. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980400715237199782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-60600698414408027552017-03-09T12:50:51.436-05:002017-03-09T12:50:51.436-05:00Unless of course acandyrose has taken it out of se...Unless of course acandyrose has taken it out of sequence including the date. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980400715237199782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-33512430053810375722017-03-09T12:48:56.018-05:002017-03-09T12:48:56.018-05:00You're reading from a mistaken statement from ...You're reading from a mistaken statement from an interview transcript; Thomas's book, fact-checked and edited, has the correct date: 12/17.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07982213709500570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-57090788855751992392017-03-09T12:48:22.395-05:002017-03-09T12:48:22.395-05:00Go look at acandyrose 06-23-98. Right. And she i...Go look at acandyrose 06-23-98. Right. And she is questioned about the calls to Dr. Beuf previous to the questioning asking her about previous sexual abuse, but same interview. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980400715237199782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-49540611280325001852017-03-09T12:46:17.773-05:002017-03-09T12:46:17.773-05:00Wrong.Wrong.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07982213709500570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-82632055949816862662017-03-09T12:44:00.022-05:002017-03-09T12:44:00.022-05:00She made the call on Dec. 7, not the 17th
She made the call on Dec. 7, not the 17th<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980400715237199782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-73159879371222991832017-03-09T12:35:22.526-05:002017-03-09T12:35:22.526-05:00"Just another vaginal infection"? In a ..."Just another vaginal infection"? In a child of six? It was her third or fourth that year, and by that time Patsy was likely alarmed. They'd been at a pageant in Denver on the 17th; after hours was her first opportunity to make a call.<br /><br />Had it been a true emergency the hospital was five minutes away. Had it been a mundane complaint Patsy by that time had fifteen years cumulative child-rearing experience and could have managed on her own. No, it was a matter of some urgency that she speak with him and she probably called repeatedly until she was connected or got a call back.<br /><br />She "doesn't remember" in her interview because by then she had been told about the sexual abuse and didn't want to say anything to further that line of questioning. <br /><br />I can indulge in useless speculation, too.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07982213709500570429noreply@blogger.com