tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post660722706438902727..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: The Basement Window -- Part 4DocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-33236965035921898682022-08-10T16:44:23.732-04:002022-08-10T16:44:23.732-04:00John and Patsy called 911 because they didn't ...John and Patsy called 911 because they didn't have the heart to dump her dead body outside in the cold. They needed the police to remove her body for a proper burial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-86550823820359147842020-01-13T20:45:54.012-05:002020-01-13T20:45:54.012-05:00I don't trust the word of the housekeeper to b...I don't trust the word of the housekeeper to be honest.<br />And who k per, John Ramsey could well of slept with her, too Humanimalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00829059589836117877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-58244522946361285602020-01-13T20:44:26.347-05:002020-01-13T20:44:26.347-05:00The scuff mark was put there by Lou smit when he c...The scuff mark was put there by Lou smit when he climbed in. There is not another mark on the wall, indicating thatbthe only person coming through that window since ...prior to 25th....was Lou smit. No intruder through that window. Because the intruder didn't stop and clean a sooty mark off wall. If John DID climb through window four months prior, the mark he made and the glass would have been cleaned up then. Anyway, it is so pathetic having Lou climb through. As if that proves anything, considering you Ramsey a man sized person says he's previously come in through that window.<br /><br />John staged it. Either four months early as part of his murderous prep or that night. Why would he even TRY to mess with evidence in statements etc if he is guilty.<br />He lies so much.<br />Saying a FRIEND warned him the police were coming for him. <br />Ah no. He knoew they would and lawyered up! <br />Did he have to say about the window being broken by him because they made the mistake if picking up glass? If so where is the glass? We're bins at ramseys and around the area searched?<br />Does someone remember being called out to fix the glass many months ago?<br /><br />John Ramsey is a planner remember <br />You can't be successful in the business he was in without being able to see many many moves at once.<br /><br />He preplanned this murder for months.<br />He wasn't working on the fly most of the time. He knew what to say and when and how to manipulate and implicate patsy.Humanimalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00829059589836117877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-68589547113018550302018-02-25T13:17:55.111-05:002018-02-25T13:17:55.111-05:00Patsy wearing the same clothing is HUGE to me. Thi...Patsy wearing the same clothing is HUGE to me. This was a woman who strived to never wear the same outfit twice, yet she was fine with putting on the same clothing as the DAY BEFORE? Heck no, not a woman like that. She was all about putting on airs and appearances. She dyed her 6 year olds hair even!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-3807009137924523552017-02-03T12:33:23.048-05:002017-02-03T12:33:23.048-05:00@DocG, Thankyou for that information.@DocG, Thankyou for that information.Don Heilandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-80739669717225955172017-02-03T10:32:04.766-05:002017-02-03T10:32:04.766-05:00In the book Perfect Murder Perfect Town, the house...In the book Perfect Murder Perfect Town, the housekeeper is quoted as saying she knew nothing about any broken window. In an interview with the Globe, she went further, accusing the Ramseys of lying about that window to cover for the fact that it was broken to stage an intruder breakin.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47539292393041306222017-02-03T02:46:03.544-05:002017-02-03T02:46:03.544-05:00@DocG, Do you know if the housekeeper is still ali...@DocG, Do you know if the housekeeper is still alive? I would like to see this testimony where the housekeeper said she new nothing about any broken window or any glass. If you have any links to this testimony or know of any sites please tell us all. I enjoyed hearing your comments.Don Heilandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-50065543699425392122017-02-02T05:35:38.481-05:002017-02-02T05:35:38.481-05:00To add I believe patsy is equally involved for a n...To add I believe patsy is equally involved for a number of reasons. her whole demeanor is suspicious. I have noted a few times she has done duping delight in her interviews. Also why didn't she go to bed that night? wearing the same clothes and her part of the bed was fully made. The note does look like her handwriting, especially comparing it to the writing in the photo album. The latest writing analysis found 200 exact samples to patsy's handwritingAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058169152395497375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-38549558077009366512017-02-02T05:21:01.188-05:002017-02-02T05:21:01.188-05:00I have never really thought much about whether he ...I have never really thought much about whether he was lying about previously breaking the window. What you said makes absolute sense. I agree this window was broken that night. What I don't understand or agree with is how from this you conclude Patsy didn't write the note or had any part in this. The way I see it they joined forces, this was an equal partnership they each played their part in covering up this crime together.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058169152395497375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-49785375531650069492016-09-29T21:02:47.556-04:002016-09-29T21:02:47.556-04:00In another website, someone said that the cobweb p...In another website, someone said that the cobweb photo was taken after the case. Also, someone questioned the source the photo.<br /><br />Is it possible to know the source of the photo?<br /><br />My email is kingkong9000@gmail.comKing Konghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15497569454634446269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-45284982671842801032016-01-26T12:49:41.654-05:002016-01-26T12:49:41.654-05:00You ask an excellent question. And your answer to ...You ask an excellent question. And your answer to it also makes good sense. However, there WAS a witness. The housekeeper who, according to Patsy, helped her clean up the glass testified that she knew nothing about any broken window or any glass. And the fact that the interviewers asked both Ramseys if the window had been repaired tells us that no one other than the Ramseys reported a broken window prior to the night of the crime. It also tells us that the edges of the broken glass must have been clean. If there was a coating of dust or dirt then it would certainly have been an old break.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-32764297943734891142016-01-26T11:44:43.945-05:002016-01-26T11:44:43.945-05:00It's a bit like the dog that didn't bark i...It's a bit like the dog that didn't bark in the night. If no-one noticed anything amiss with the window, that indicates that it was intact. They would surely notice if it wasn't.L1803https://www.blogger.com/profile/13774133646056285799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-39362983027879273592016-01-26T11:41:37.307-05:002016-01-26T11:41:37.307-05:00You say that workmen and the housekeeper and her h...You say that workmen and the housekeeper and her husband (and possibly others) had been in the basement prior to the 25th. Surely one/some of them could testify that the window was intact when they last saw it? Virtually all of the discussion here seems to revolve around the cleaning up of glass, or otherwise. But the opposite - that the window was not broken at such and such a date, prior to the 25th - is an obvious line of enquiry too. Was no-one questioned on this?L1803https://www.blogger.com/profile/13774133646056285799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-23525826892710555392015-08-28T06:17:55.377-04:002015-08-28T06:17:55.377-04:00Just thought I'd point this out, but that vide...Just thought I'd point this out, but that video you have the photo stills from is pretty badly done to be "police footage." Although that could be down to the incompetence of the individual.<br /><br />Something else I picked up on though, that I'm surprised no one else seems to have:<br /><br />There's a scuff mark on the wall under the basement window. There's been no mention of this anywhere to my knowledge, which is odd for a murder investigation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-13952957545869021512014-03-14T12:47:19.363-04:002014-03-14T12:47:19.363-04:00Yes, it does seem as though the interviewers misse...Yes, it does seem as though the interviewers missed many opportunities to follow up on certain questions, especially when the answers simply weren't credible. I think this probably has something to do with the fact that John was "interviewed" as a witness rather than "questioned" as a suspect. This is something John and his lawyers insisted on and was, I believe, a condition for the interview. So the questioners probably realized that any attempt on their part to challenge John by trying to pin him down would be met by strong objections, and that John could at any time discontinue the "interview," since he was under no obligation to answer any of their questions.<br /><br />The DA's reluctance to get tough with either John or Patsy was no doubt a factor in the failure to solve a case that should have been open and shut.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-62755713659093438432014-03-13T23:23:40.705-04:002014-03-13T23:23:40.705-04:00The following was posted today by "Db" b...The following was posted today by "Db" but for some reason never made it to the blog:<br /><br />This discussion on the window once again illustrates how poorly these interrogations were conducted. Once they started playing dumb about the window repair, the next obvious question is: "When was the last time you were in the basement prior to the 25th"? A broken window during a Colorado winter is awfully hard to miss. They both could've been pinned down on so many issues and these investigators missed every opportunity. <br /><br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-72736375902697166752014-03-13T01:12:54.527-04:002014-03-13T01:12:54.527-04:00This discussion on the window once again illustrat...This discussion on the window once again illustrates how poorly these interrogations were conducted. Once they started playing dumb about the window repair, the next obvious question is: "When was the last time you were in the basement prior to the 25th"? A broken window during a Colorado winter is awfully hard to miss. They both could've been pinned down on so many issues and these investigators missed every opportunity. Dbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-43971288871859739022013-11-14T18:29:30.536-05:002013-11-14T18:29:30.536-05:00My first question to Burke would be: what did the ...My first question to Burke would be: what did the lawyers ask you? What did you tell them? And then, what did they tell you to do, to say and not to say?<br /><br />And yes, I do think Burke could be the key to opening up this case, because there have to be some important facts that he would know, whether they are things he saw or heard that night or things he overhead being discussed between his parents or his parents and their lawyers.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65319089635977062602013-11-14T16:11:14.363-05:002013-11-14T16:11:14.363-05:00Sorry to keep writing to you, just one last questi...Sorry to keep writing to you, just one last question. Your response will have to be pure speculation, but BR would have had to have heard something whether it be that night or in conversations involving JR and or PR in the days after, so why do you think he has been quiet all these years? Its either because he lost a sister and now a Mom, so maybe he didnt want to lose a Dad. I have speculated that he could be involved which is obviously why he hasnt talked, but you dont need to address that at all. BR could be the key to this whole case with what he has to know, so I just dont know if JR has put the fear of god into him or if he has other reasons for keeping quiet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-53539167405178301992013-11-14T15:59:58.380-05:002013-11-14T15:59:58.380-05:00Yes, exactly. John was the one who came up with th...Yes, exactly. John was the one who came up with that story in the first place. And if you read Patsy's testimony you'll see that she's obviously flustered when explaining how she cleaned it up and how much glass there was, etc. Whenever we see signs that Patsy isn't being completely honest it's always when she's backing up John's version of what happened, never the other way 'round.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-80726977166084439492013-11-14T15:43:15.235-05:002013-11-14T15:43:15.235-05:00You really explain every aspect extremely well, so...You really explain every aspect extremely well, so thanks for the thorough response! On a side note, I had watched the 2000 Larry King interview and I honestly dont get how anybody thinks PR is to blame for this crime. She is believable as an angry mother who misses her daughter and wants answers. JR meanwhile seems extremely calculated with all of his responses.<br />We know that PR lied to protect JR about the window, but to me the key point is that PR repeated JR's story and not the other way around. So, the only crime PR is guilty of is lying for her husband, whereas JR is the one who started the story about the window in the first place. It seems like too many people say the "Ramseys" as if they are one entity, when clearly they are 2 distinctly different people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-55307506666382634722013-11-14T14:21:44.724-05:002013-11-14T14:21:44.724-05:00As I see it, the testimony of the housekeeper ough...As I see it, the testimony of the housekeeper ought to be sufficient. First of all, she was the housekeeper, i.e., the person entrusted with keeping the house in order, so it would have been her responsibility to report a broken window. Secondly, Patsy, for some odd reason, placed Linda at the scene of the glass cleanup, so Linda's denial means one of them is, without question, lying. It's very hard to see why Linda would want to lie about that incident, but it's not difficult to see why Patsy would, since John's story is, in effect, an alibi, and as his wife she might have felt it was expected of her to back up her husband's story. Also, if the story were exposed as a lie, then she too might have been accused of staging a breakin at that window, along with John. After all, she too was under that "umbrella of suspicion."<br /><br />Also, I don't know of anyone other than Patsy who ever came forward to corroborate John's story. As I recall, the gardner also claimed he knew nothing about a broken window. But most of all it simply stands to reason that you don't leave a broken window alone for months, so insects, leaves and cold air can get into the house. At the very least you would cover the hole with a piece of cardboard or something.<br /><br />Finally, the fact that both Patsy and John were questioned about that story on two separate occasions and at some length, tells us that the edges of the broken glass must have been clean. If they were encrusted with dust, then it would have been obvious the break was old and there would have been no need to question John and Patsy on this matter.<br /><br />The real problem was that the investigators never caught on to the purpose of John's story -- that it was an alibi! As they saw it, if he'd been staging at that window then he would never have made up a story about breaking it earlier. This was classic misdirection, and it worked.<br /><br /><br /><br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-25192070692671919432013-11-14T13:23:57.560-05:002013-11-14T13:23:57.560-05:00Well unfortunately Patsy is not here to testify on...Well unfortunately Patsy is not here to testify on this, but all that is needed is testimony from BR, housekeeper, any painter that had been down in that room and answer whether or not the window was broken in the year leading up the murder. I am with you that the basement window is SO important to this case that if even 1 person would testify that they had been in that room and the window was in tact at any point in the months leading up to that fateful Christmas Night, then isnt this alone enought to arrest JR? The window has to have still been broken for JR and PR to not have been involved right? If the window was in tact at any point after that Lake trip by PR, then the Ramseys have lied and lied about a HUGE detail in the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-51742097283761495342013-11-14T13:10:45.478-05:002013-11-14T13:10:45.478-05:00The painting supplies were used by workmen paintin...The painting supplies were used by workmen painting in the house, not by Patsy. And don't forget, Patsy testified that she knew about that broken window, and had in fact cleaned up the glass -- with the help of the housekeeper, who denied knowing anything about it. But if you're referring to her ability to remember whether the window had ever been repaired, then you do have a point, certainly.<br /><br />One can only assume that Patsy did go down into the basement as the holidays approached, because all sorts of packaging materials for Christmas were stored there. And we know that the housekeeper had been down there around the same time, because she and her husband were helping with various Xmas stuff that was being stored in the windowless room.<br /><br />So, yes, there is no reason why Patsy wouldn't have known very well whether or not that window had ever been repaired. Not to mention the cold air entering the basement, the scary looking shard of glass ready to drop onto the floor, the bugs that would have entered the house the previous summer, etc. It's obviously a big fat lie. DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-58313225141431847082013-11-14T12:32:18.862-05:002013-11-14T12:32:18.862-05:00Doc, I just thought of something that I just didnt...Doc, I just thought of something that I just didnt see written unless Im missing it. Some of the items in the basement room were new, such as the paint supplies or wrapping paper, etc. Wasnt PR the painter, so we can assume she had been down in this room at some point in the 6 months leading up to the crime. IF the window was broken and not fixed, any person that would have gone down in this room at any point would have felt a draft or clearly seen the broken glass. What would the odds be that somebody goes into this room, sees the broken window and doesnt do anything about it? Plus, PR CLEARLY would remember seeing this window broken prior to the murder and wouldnt have had trouble remembering. Unless a Ramsey family member or housekeeper hadnt gone down into this room since the night JR had to "climb" thru the window, then this 100% proves the window wasnt broken previously. Maybe this is something that has already been considered, but unless Im missing something, doesnt this prove it?<br />-JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com