tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post4984186254076788607..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: More Room StillDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger245125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-67006019416662514732017-01-31T04:28:04.530-05:002017-01-31T04:28:04.530-05:00Hey there , I am a mother of two(grown children no...Hey there , I am a mother of two(grown children now ) ; if I would find a strange ransom note on my staircase about the abduction of one of my children ; the first thing I would do in the morning if indeed I couldnt find my other child is to wake up my other immediately and find out if he knew something or heard something . But I believe they were sleeping on different floors ? So whoever did this must have known that JB was sleeping on a different level of the house and could be targetted.If it was an Intruder he or she had been in the house before . Did they use any tracking dogs the morning of the alleged abduction? Could such a dog have smelled an intruder follow his/her trail????;(beside smelling all of the other people that showed up at the house) Did the Ramseys bring their own dog (which was at the neighbours for the weekend )back to the house immediately??? ;is what I would do since their dog knew the smell of JB ; might have been able to find her trail ; is what I would hope if I were the Ramseys ; or what type of dog did they have ?) Joviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901252632981913877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-40671274439317534852016-10-10T10:26:55.200-04:002016-10-10T10:26:55.200-04:00Enlighten me Ms D. PLEASE explain to me again sin...Enlighten me Ms D. PLEASE explain to me again since Im so ignorant to keep bringing it up. The JDI crowd loves to just ignore ANYTHING that goes against their theory of Crazy John. Zed, EG and myself also know that BDI, but a lot on this blog still cling to a theory based on assumptions and opinions, yet we still go over those points over and over and over and over and over again.<br />It's VERY simple...either you believe that PR believed the RN was real or you don't. There is absolutely no in between on this. If you believe that PR thought the note was authentic and written by a small foreign faction then there really isn't a reasonable explanation for her actions or behavior that morning. If she truly believed her daughter was kidnapped by S.B.T.C then all she did was contribute to the death of her daughter. <br /><br />-JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-60837412708371282952016-10-10T02:42:27.162-04:002016-10-10T02:42:27.162-04:00It is so patently obvious John committed this murd...It is so patently obvious John committed this murder, I don't even know why we're still debating it, frankly. Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-91733247210983058612016-10-10T00:05:48.267-04:002016-10-10T00:05:48.267-04:00didn't say Burke was libeled. ANd if you want...didn't say Burke was libeled. ANd if you want to be my personal spellcheck knock yourself out.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980400715237199782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-71175206875797129822016-10-09T22:49:54.124-04:002016-10-09T22:49:54.124-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04737786478506148483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-83543114825048020482016-10-09T22:14:41.884-04:002016-10-09T22:14:41.884-04:00Where is the motive you ask? Look at this case:
h...Where is the motive you ask? Look at this case:<br /><br />https://www.change.org/p/the-family-court-allowed-a-convicted-sex-offender-access-to-my-little-girl-now-she-s-dead<br /><br />"My teenage daughter committed suicide after the Family Court allowed her father, a convicted child sex offender, access to her when she was just a child.<br />The Family Court System failed my little girl. And they failed me, a protective mother, who in my attempt to protect my children from contact with their abusive father, was dismissed as a ‘hysterical woman’ and a ‘vindictive wife’. <br />How can this happen? The legal system, designed to protect vulnerable children, is instead sending them to convicted sex offenders and exposing them to further assaults. The Court wanted my kids to have a “meaningful relationship with both parents” - a ruling that would eventually kill my darling girl.<br />I can’t describe the pain of losing her - it’s been 3 years since she died. She was just 17 and such a loving and caring daughter and friend.<br />It makes me physically sick to imagine what she went through. In 2002, Abbey's father was charged with the sexual assault of her 8-year-old best friend and sent to jail for a pathetic two years. The abuse occurred at regular sleepovers. <br />I’m desperate to fight for children and parents who’ve been grossly let down by the dysfunction of the Family Court System. The Court restricts children from doctor and counselling visits during legal proceedings, discounts their word against a parent's, views reports of sexual assault as vindictive and favours the most financially stable parent. It’s shameful and dangerous.<br />My darling daughter had her whole life ahead of her, but by adding your name to this petition, we can bring about change for other kids.<br />I am supporting Bravehearts call for a Royal Commission into the Family Law System of Australia to examine their damaging failings in protecting our children. It follows a report by Bravehearts which highlights the failings of the Family Law System. It’s called Abbey’s Project.<br />This will be Abbey’s legacy."<br /><br />So fathers can do heinous things. There's your motive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-46200699753047952952016-10-09T08:03:33.410-04:002016-10-09T08:03:33.410-04:00You are very fond of calling Patsy a liar at every...You are very fond of calling Patsy a liar at every turn, Keiser. <br />She said she read the first few lines, panicked, then called for help. As it makes no sense that she would call 911 whilst the body was still in the house if she was complicit in the murder and/or staging, I have no doubt she is telling the truth when she says she did not read more than the first few lines. If I found a note that said "We have your daughter", you can bet I'd be dialing 000 (our Emergency number here in Aus) before I even glanced at the next line. Then, of course, the very next thing I'd do after reading "they" have my daughter, is to see who "they" are! Just as Patsy did, I would skip straight to the author of the note. It makes complete sense, there is no reason to assume she is lying in this case. Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65788892462011572532016-10-09T07:53:41.543-04:002016-10-09T07:53:41.543-04:00You are very fond of calling Patsy a liar at every...You are very fond of calling Patsy a liar at every turn, Keiser. <br />She said she read the first few lines, panicked, then called for help. As it makes no sense that she would call 911 whilst the body was still in the house if she was complicit in the murder and/or staging, I have no doubt she is telling the truth when she says she did not read more than the first few lines. If I found a note that said "We have your daughter", you can bet I'd be dialing 000 (our Emergency number here in Aus) before I even glanced at the next line. Then, of course, the very next thing I'd do after reading "they" have my daughter, is to see who "they" are! Just as Patsy did, I would skip straight to the author of the note. It makes complete sense, there is no reason to assume she is lying in this case. Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-21993826733771619072016-10-09T07:34:30.985-04:002016-10-09T07:34:30.985-04:00Actually, Keiser, I had to call for an ambulance f...Actually, Keiser, I had to call for an ambulance for my mother only a few weeks ago, and I blurted out "I need the police!".|<br />So it isn't inconceivable at all that Patsy might have almost asked for an ambulance (if, indeed, that was even what she was going to say - that is pure speculation). I was in a state of shock and I couldn't think at all. I can't even imagine what was going through Patsy's mind....<br />I have always found Patsy's 911 call completely believable. In the first few months after the murder, I believed both parents killed JonBenet, but after hearing the 911 call, I really began to have my doubts. There is a link somewhere here where an Emergency Operator says that Patsy Ramsey displayed all of the classic signs of someone in genuine distress.....I'll have to search for the link. Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-14594832925606452682016-10-09T07:15:07.876-04:002016-10-09T07:15:07.876-04:00As Doc said, if Patsy had been up all night commit...As Doc said, if Patsy had been up all night committing murder - or at the very least, covering for one - she'd be SURE to shower and change her clothes, wouldn't she? John certainly did. The fact she wore the same clothes doesn't indicate innocence or guilt, in my opinion. <br />As far as the fiber goes, Inquisitive, we've been over this many, many times.....not quite sure why you keep bringing this up now since you've had a change of heart in regards to who committed the murder. You seem to be flip flopping and making a lot of unfounded assumptions, much like Leigh Too does..... Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-16681415561492874342016-10-09T07:00:11.139-04:002016-10-09T07:00:11.139-04:00You would not write a long drawn out ransom note a...You would not write a long drawn out ransom note and then leave the body in the house. That wouldn't look like an authentic kidnapping for ransom, would it."<br /><br />Haven't you been keeping up, lol?<br />The body was never SUPPOSED to be discovered in the house! THAT is the whole point on which Doc's theory is based on with regards to the purpose of the ransom note - I thought that much we all agreed on?! <br /><br />John wrote the ransom note with the intention of getting Patsy and Burke out of the house so he could finish what he began (I'm sure this is why he scrapped the original RN which was addressed to both JR and PR, and decided it should be addressed to John alone - so he alone could take charge of the situation), at which time he would get rid of the body in the "adequate size attache" under the proviso he was delivering the "ransom". <br />Alas Patsy called 911 and screwed up the plan, thus John had no chance to remove the body before the police arrived. Of course the plan was not to write out a long, rambling ransom note, only to have the body be discovered in the house. This is how we know Patsy couldn't have been complicit, which has been Doc's point all along.....Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-62184044262972180302016-10-09T06:52:04.249-04:002016-10-09T06:52:04.249-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-62543555460943273552016-10-09T06:51:44.146-04:002016-10-09T06:51:44.146-04:00The note was long, she probably freaked out after ...The note was long, she probably freaked out after reading the first paragraph which states "we have your daughter". She most likely skimmed the rest of the note as she called 911 immediately. Maybe John only had the first two pages of the note and Patsy had the last page.<br /><br />There have been so many cases where the families have been told NOT to call the police and yet they have. Does that mean they were involved in the crime? No.Ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-30983034464936611932016-10-09T06:26:18.297-04:002016-10-09T06:26:18.297-04:00The flashlight had no prints, neither did the batt...The flashlight had no prints, neither did the batteries. The batteries may never have been changed which would account for the lack of prints. <br /><br />So if Burke hit her on the head for stealing his pineapple then she never would have had a chance to swallow it. Yet she did swallow it, so that must have been quite the delay from Burke in his "rage". Ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-4980231264775651312016-10-09T06:21:11.470-04:002016-10-09T06:21:11.470-04:00The BDI theory is just so ridiculous. There is way...The BDI theory is just so ridiculous. There is way too much focus on the pineapple. <br /><br />It is more logical that JR had a reason to hit JBR over the head. Think about some scenarios. He could have been in her room touching himself when she woke, she screamed so he hit her over the head in a panic. He then could have taken her to the basement whilst he decided what to do next. The rest is history.<br /><br />The staging being sexual in nature really fits in with the events beforehand having a sexual element. <br /><br />Ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-91863841450950623452016-10-09T06:15:10.652-04:002016-10-09T06:15:10.652-04:00Inquisitive.....I think you WOULD call 911, becaus...Inquisitive.....I think you WOULD call 911, because your dying daughter's life means as much to you as your living son's life. I don't think you'd even mess around feeling for a pulse - you'd be on the phone calling for an ambulance the moment you entered the scene of the crime and saw her lying there. Parents have called paramedics when their children are found at the bottom of the swimming pool, when it is patently obvious they are clearly beyond help. But, I'll play Devil's advocate for the sake of argument.....I feel for a pulse, realize she is dead and worry that my son's life will be irrevocably damaged, so I wonder what my husband and I can do to save him, as it's too late for the other kid now, right? So, rather than stage a fall down the stairs (which will take all of a few seconds, without the added concern of leaving my very own handwriting all over my very own paper, further incriminating the family's involvement) and calling 911 to tell them my daughter was perhaps sleep walking and tumbled down the stairs, I decide to fabricate a phony kidnapping, along with a three page ransom note instead. Never mind that the moment I report a kidnapping, it means the cops are going to be swarming the place, making what could easily have been a discreet affair, a media circus - thus ensuring my family will be thoroughly interrogated, and hoping like hell my son won't spill the beans.....no, this is, of course, the only logical course of action. <br /><br /> Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-53575764843999917782016-10-09T05:31:10.513-04:002016-10-09T05:31:10.513-04:00Well, that is one thing we both agree on then.
I ...Well, that is one thing we both agree on then. <br />I don't think it is likely the garrote or the sexual assault was staging either. <br />That is one major reason I do not believe Burke is responsible for JB's death - If the note and window were the only parts of the crime that were staged, then this means a nine year old sexually abused his sister, bashed her on the head with enough force to cause brain death, strangled her with a garrote - either as part of some sort of sex fetish or just to make absolutely certain she was dead - all the while having his parents covering for him to the point where they become the prime suspects, even though he brutally, and deliberately (if the garrote wasn't staging, there is no doubt what it's purpose was) murdered the daughter they loved. <br />Does this sound even remotely plausible, really?<br />Such a crime is unprecedented. <br />Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-88439004750293944102016-10-09T01:54:59.872-04:002016-10-09T01:54:59.872-04:00btw: I always put my clothes on that I wore the da...btw: I always put my clothes on that I wore the day before while going down to breakfast.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611803966705474656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-28326170683076285072016-10-09T01:40:45.353-04:002016-10-09T01:40:45.353-04:00Also you seem to have a serious problem decipherin...Also you seem to have a serious problem deciphering the difference between evidence of staging and evidence of committing murder. FYIAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04737786478506148483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-35601554192622925412016-10-09T01:32:22.059-04:002016-10-09T01:32:22.059-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04737786478506148483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-52609166416857088182016-10-09T01:25:28.374-04:002016-10-09T01:25:28.374-04:00There are common indicators when people lie, commo...There are common indicators when people lie, common words used. Common words used when distancing yourself from a situation and common words used when alibi setting. And this is commom sense. Many people being interrogated by trained LE officials get caught lying by body language and tone of voice. That is what interrogators are trained to do is catch and pick up on people lying, distancing alibi setting etc. and it works alot of the time and that is a fact. Is that Pseudoscience as well ? I find this to be more common sense than anything else. I suppose you will say during the 911 call when she asked for "an", she was going to ask for an apple and not an ambulance or was she going to ask for an police ?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04737786478506148483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-91975644040938105042016-10-09T01:12:46.773-04:002016-10-09T01:12:46.773-04:00First off, outside of the sexual abuse comment, I ...First off, outside of the sexual abuse comment, I was not expecting you to respond as you said you would not on repititive posts. If you read my posts then you would clearly see that I never said PR murdered her daughter, only that she knew about it and covered up as well as I said JR did and staged as well. As far her lying goes, she lied about everything I posted above. I got most of the above lies directly out of LE TRANSCRIPTS, not National Enquirer. You are entitled to your convenient opinion that if it doesnt fit then PR forget, if you would like, as I am entitled to mine. As far as the fibers and prints go, I never said that they couldnt be secondary transfer nor did I say her prints could not be there innocently. I said when you add all these things up you have close to a circumstantial case against PR whether guilty or not. Notice the word CIRCUMSTANTIAL. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04737786478506148483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-31449230048580817092016-10-09T00:40:32.860-04:002016-10-09T00:40:32.860-04:00In most of the cases you cite, it's not a fact...In most of the cases you cite, it's not a fact that Patsy lied, it's an assumption. The two cases where we know Patsy lied can be understood in the light of my theory, which of course you are free to contest. But don't assert that she regularly lied because that is not a fact. I see problems in many of the assertions made by Steve Thomas and James Kolar, yet I wouldn't call them lies.<br /><br />There is no reason to assume Patsy knew about John's phone call that afternoon, and the presence of her fibers and prints can be easily explained. And neither I nor a great many others see anything suspicious in the wording of her 911 call, that's pure pseudo science. <br /><br />Your theory, obviously, is that Patsy had to be involved in the murder of her daughter and the writing of the note. And as I've argued throughout this blog, that theory won't hold water. You are of course free to dispute my theory, but once is enough, oK? Not over and over ad nauseum. DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-82307638876595077802016-10-09T00:24:33.273-04:002016-10-09T00:24:33.273-04:00You haven't read what I've written about J...You haven't read what I've written about John's plan. John could easily have called his home from a phone booth near the bank after picking up the ransom cash. His answering machine would have picked up the call and a record of it would have been made by the phone company. He would then have returned home and erased all trace of his "message."<br /><br />Don't forget, the note says "if we monitor you going to the bank early we'll get in touch with you early," or something to that effect. DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-8950439117983432322016-10-09T00:09:26.150-04:002016-10-09T00:09:26.150-04:00I have no idea whether a body enclosed in a plasti...I have no idea whether a body enclosed in a plastic bag could fool cadaver dogs or not. In all likelihood neither did John. But to claim someone would not place a dead body in the trunk of a car for fear of cadaver dogs makes no sense. Dead bodies have been placed in automobile trunks for years and I feel sure this time-honored practice will continue, cadaver dogs or no cadaver dogs.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.com