tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post4680819711355258308..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: New Improved Intruder TheoryDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger142125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-53728453748749566052020-10-07T20:40:34.692-04:002020-10-07T20:40:34.692-04:00I have been thinking that perhaps John was angry a...I have been thinking that perhaps John was angry at Patsy seeing she made the call...perhaps she didn’t disconnect the call but he did? FollowingFactshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09314558128849035074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-6056990538523775292020-10-03T15:40:50.247-04:002020-10-03T15:40:50.247-04:00JonBenet wurde nach dem starken Schlag mit der Tas...JonBenet wurde nach dem starken Schlag mit der Taschenlampe an den Armen mit Hilfe der Bindung zwischen den Händen aufgehängt und am Hals stranguliert. Dazu gab es eine unkomplizierte Vorrichtung im Kellerbereich. Patsy wollte nicht das Wort "hängen" benutzen für die Baum-Engel aus aller Welt auf dem Friedhof in Marietta. Hammermordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05288071895414946247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-45565962779325986002020-10-03T10:39:42.739-04:002020-10-03T10:39:42.739-04:00- Sig - Zu Ihrem obigen Text: Ich atme durch die N...- Sig - Zu Ihrem obigen Text: Ich atme durch die Nase, auch wenn ein Klebeband auf meinem Mund ist. Vielleicht ist das bei Ihnen anders, weil Sie eine Klammer auf der Nase tragen. Sorry für meinen Zwischenruf in Deutsch. Ich habe hier alles mit dem Translate-Programm in Deutsch lesen können. Guter Blog zum Thema Familie Ramsey. Hammermordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05288071895414946247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-71509028530149933922020-09-12T17:55:17.560-04:002020-09-12T17:55:17.560-04:00WITZBOLDWITZBOLDHammermordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05288071895414946247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-22657298373198304192020-09-12T06:35:46.938-04:002020-09-12T06:35:46.938-04:00- Sig is a Layman-Lawyer. - Sig is a Layman-Lawyer. Hammermordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05288071895414946247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-32543970356366947192020-09-12T06:12:42.397-04:002020-09-12T06:12:42.397-04:00- Sig - you are childish. Greetings from Germany. ...- Sig - you are childish. Greetings from Germany. Hammermordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05288071895414946247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-64501155510701027352016-10-12T18:15:22.634-04:002016-10-12T18:15:22.634-04:00Has anyone ever considered this? Patsy Ramsey hel...Has anyone ever considered this? Patsy Ramsey held an open house for the community 2 days before Christmas where 1,500 - 2,000 people did a walk through. It was 2-3 days before this that there was an article in the local paper about John Ramsey's business having a 1 $billion per year fiscal year. It is entirely possible and reasonable to consider that someone ducked behind a wall or door and hid in the basement. This house was huge; 4 stories with the basement, with the parent's bedroom on the upper floor. This scenario, whether true or not, would offer an explanation to just about every question and inconsistency. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-81575320456751224492016-07-09T07:13:59.367-04:002016-07-09T07:13:59.367-04:00"Well I consider myself talented and I'm ..."Well I consider myself talented and I'm sure I couldn't have tied it. And I was a boy scout. "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-46120413886236135902014-11-21T16:15:41.437-05:002014-11-21T16:15:41.437-05:00I read your "Mr. Cruel" theory some time...I read your "Mr. Cruel" theory some time ago. It strikes me as preposterous, especially since there is no evidence this person, whose known crimes are limited to Australia, was ever present in Boulder, not to mention Colorado, or even the USA. Not a shred of actual evidence links him to this crime.<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-15005159160725518402014-11-21T12:05:55.150-05:002014-11-21T12:05:55.150-05:00this intruder theory answers all your "object...this intruder theory answers all your "objections" clearly you have not done sufficient research<br /><br />http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11934Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-70549240117522805732014-06-12T10:55:51.574-04:002014-06-12T10:55:51.574-04:00Not unless he was planning to part with that milli...Not unless he was planning to part with that million or ten million, because if all had gone according to the plan I see in that note, he'd have claimed he paid the ransom but never got his daughter back. Which meant he'd have had to destroy it.<br /><br />On the other hand, an amount roughly equal to his $118,000 bonus would be something he could afford to part with. So why not make it the exact amount, which would be consistent with the construction of some disaffected employee or jealous friend with access to his personal files.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-16777184745140962582014-06-12T10:46:46.774-04:002014-06-12T10:46:46.774-04:00"He takes the time to write this long, eccent..."He takes the time to write this long, eccentric, unnecessary note because to him it's worth it; it is all part of him living out the fantasy he's been obsessing over for weeks / months."<br /><br />As I said: reasonable doubt is not the same as any old doubt at all. An intruder who enters a house with the intention of raping a child, and then sits down to write a 2 1/2 page long ransom note does not strike me as a reasonable explanation for what happened. I doubt it would be seen as reasonable doubt by a jury either. Looks to me more like a desperate last-ditch defense effort, a Hail Mary pass.<br /><br />We also need to understand why he'd want to hide the body in that little basement room. Or why he felt the need to change her panties. Or how he even knew where to find that oversized pair of panties. Or how a note intended as a taunt winds up becoming a ransom note, complete with very specific instructions as to how the ransom amount is to be distributed and when to expect a phone call.<br /><br />It also doesn't explain John's story about breaking through the basement window months earlier, which is clearly a lie intended to misdirect from the obvious staging on the night of the crime.<br /><br />As far as the DNA is concerned, as I've already said, an intruder not wearing gloves would have left his prints and DNA all over the place. And an intruder wearing gloves would not have left any prints or DNA anywhere, at least not any "touch" DNA.<br /><br />As far as prosecution is concerned: regardless of the remote possibility of some off the wall intruder with some unfathomable set of motives and methods, it seems clear that there is more than enough probable cause to indict John Ramsey for the murder of his daughter. His lawyers will be free to theorize about the possibility of such an unlikely "intruder" and if he's lucky the jury would buy it. But first he would need to explain why he lied about breaking that window in all innocence, because as I see it, that's the smoking gun in this case.<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-91248286753564792372014-06-12T00:29:42.007-04:002014-06-12T00:29:42.007-04:00I don't know. I think if John writes the note...I don't know. I think if John writes the note, he isn't going to use a number that so few people know at the time, the $118,000. He would have written 1 million or 10 million or something. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47484585798100921612014-06-12T00:27:58.353-04:002014-06-12T00:27:58.353-04:00I don't think the killer ever planned on remov...I don't think the killer ever planned on removing JB from the house. Nor was money his real motive. His "oddball" motive was simple; sex / sexual control of a child, that sick fuck. He became obsessed with JB and eventually figured out a way to act on it. That (unfortunately) happens all the time in this world. I don't think that's a stretch for a motive. <br /><br />The killer proves his plan to us with his actions; At some point, whether before or after JB died, the killer could have easily left the house with her body, and ransomed it. But he didn't. He knew before he went in that this would end with her dead. <br /><br />I believe he got into the house hours ahead of time, while the Ramseys are at the party, and that's why he had enough time to comfortably write such a long note. Plus, he probably wrote that note 10 times or more, at his own residence, practicing what he'd say, not to mention all the practice he'd do just in his own mind, thinking about which words to use. <br /><br />He takes the time to write this long, eccentric, unnecessary note because to him it's worth it; it is all part of him living out the fantasy he's been obsessing over for weeks / months. <br /><br />Regardless, the fact that the Boulder DA has made it clear that they have a DNA sample they so strongly believe is the real killer's, almost completely closes the door on the idea that they'd ever arrest John at this point. I'm surprised they didn't indict Patsy and / or John back in the late 90's, but they didn't, and if it didn't happen then, I really don't think it's going to happen now. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-66641224847119660992014-06-12T00:06:24.420-04:002014-06-12T00:06:24.420-04:00I think John wrote it in such a way as to suggest ...I think John wrote it in such a way as to suggest it was a taunt, yes. There are many things in the note that read as taunts. And the $118,000 figure suggests exactly the sort of person you have in mind, exactly. But the fact that the note contains these elements does not tell us who wrote it, or even the sort of person who wrote it, because it's obviously a misdirection. How do I know it's staged rather than real? Read my last response to your last comment, above. The intruder you want to see would have prepared his taunts ahead of time, not decided at the last minute to write them down while in the house.<br /><br />You don't think John would have written such a long note, but in fact he was the only one who would have felt comfortable enough in that house to take the time to write it. An intruder would have brought a prepared note or else would have penned a very short one, and then got out of there.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-62201477135365597962014-06-11T23:55:11.143-04:002014-06-11T23:55:11.143-04:00"What's logical in the killer's mind ..."What's logical in the killer's mind might seem reckless or unnecessary or foolish to someone else.<br /><br />When you say this *must* mean this or that *must* mean that, you're basing that on what you or others would have done in the situation."<br /><br />I'm not trying to read anyone's mind or determine whether or not he was acting logically. I consider the facts and the logic of the case, NOT the thinking of the perpetrator. Profilers do the sort of thing you say I've done, but my methods are very different.<br /><br />The fact that the note was written on a notepad found in the house, tells us this could not have been a preplanned kidnapping. The fact that the note was so long and also so carefully and consistently thought out and also so carefully penned (note the consistent spacing between words and careful adherence to the margin) tells us it could not have been some last minute decision on the part of someone who broke into the house with some other plan in mind. And the fact that the note was clearly not a forgery tells us that the intention of the "intruder" could not have been to frame John and/or Patsy.<br /><br />Sorry, but that just about exhausts the possibilities as far as I can tell. But maybe you can think of an intruder scenario that fits.<br /><br />Of course a defense lawyer will always argue, even in the most open and shut case, that we can't know everything and will try to make a case for reasonable doubt based on exactly the sort of objections you've just raised. But there is a huge difference between reasonable doubt and any old doubt. There will always be some doubt in just about any case, but the doubt has to be "reasonable," OK? Not just the possibility that the "real criminal" had some oddball motive and modus operandum that no one's ever thought of.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-58141885552874222402014-06-11T19:01:40.255-04:002014-06-11T19:01:40.255-04:00As far as interpreting the note itself, consider t...As far as interpreting the note itself, consider this: <br /><br />Maybe the killer writes the note the way he does not only as a misdirection, but also as a taunt. To me it reads like a creative writing essay gone berserk, written by someone who has seen too many movies and has fantasized about this for a long time. When the killer put in the $118,000 figure, I think he was saying "I'm so close to you that I know your bonus, but you don't know who I am. Take that." <br /><br />If John wrote the note, I don't think he would make it so long, giving himself the chance to mess up and give himself away with a clue somehow.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-46649120515857292202014-06-11T18:56:13.174-04:002014-06-11T18:56:13.174-04:00Hm I think you overlooked one critical thing as yo...Hm I think you overlooked one critical thing as you worked on this case: You can't assume that the killer made completely logical, perfect choices. What's logical in the killer's mind might seem reckless or unnecessary or foolish to someone else.<br /><br />When you say this *must* mean this or that *must* mean that, you're basing that on what you or others would have done in the situation. <br /><br />For example, if you pointed to any element of the case, any action the killer performed, I could come up with multiple theories as to why it was done the way it was, all of which could possibly make sense in the mind of the killer. <br /><br />Anyway, the reason I don't think it's too far fetched to imagine an intruder committed the crime is: the things the killer must have known (as demonstrated by his actions) were all things that could have been learned anecdotally. I think the killer knew a member of the Ramsey family and had probably been in their house once or twice before the night of the murder. He didn't have to know all that many things to pull this off. <br /><br />It's good bouncing our ideas off each other. Hopefully I'll hear back from you soon. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-19370290130904755192014-06-10T13:11:35.316-04:002014-06-10T13:11:35.316-04:00For some reason, my "Reply" button isn&#...For some reason, my "Reply" button isn't working, so I'm going to respond to all Alex's comments here.<br /><br />"Why do you think John Ramsey continued to spend so much money on private investigators and continued to make TV appearances, if he was guilty?"<br /><br />The purpose of the private investigators was to muddy the waters and throw off the police by coming up with a long series of red herrings for them to waste time researching. It was also part of a public relations campaign to counteract the strong suspicions of so many that JonBenet's murder was an inside job. As for the TV appearances, these were in many cases book promotions. Since he lost his job, writing these books became an important source of income -- but sales depended on the publicity generated by the TV appearances.<br /><br />As far as the ransom note is concerned, I agree that the note in itself does not tell us who wrote it, or who killed JonBenet. Its meaning is, as you say, open to interpretation. However the facts I used to determine that John is the only likely suspect are NOT open to interpretation. If you reread the first two posts you'll learn what those facts are and you'll be able to follow the chain of logical inference that points from them directly to John Ramsey. When I discuss the note, therefore, what I am doing is not claiming that the note is another piece of evidence telling us that John is guilty, but that the contents of the note are consistent with it having been written by John, as part of his plan to stage a kidnapping. And my interpretation of that note is, imo at least, the ONLY logical explanation for its contents that I've ever seen. Whoever wrote it clearly had a plan, and my interpretation reveals a plan that does in fact make sense. I've never seen any other that makes any sense at all.<br /><br />The three reasons you give for the body being hidden don't seem very convincing to me. I've never heard of a murderer hiding body out of shame or guilt. And hiding a body is not the same as burying it. Also there is no reason to buy time by hiding the body, because once the note has been reported to the police they are going to be looking for the guilty party regardless of whether it's kidnapping or murder.<br /><br />Finally, as far as the doors were concerned, John reported to the police that all the doors were locked. A policeman checked and also determined that all were locked. And while it's true that the various friends contaminated any evidence that might have existed on the first floor, none of them went into the basement, with the exception of Fleet White, so any evidence that had been present in the basement would not have been hopelessly contaminated at all.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-71464469715252721112014-06-10T04:19:52.127-04:002014-06-10T04:19:52.127-04:00As far as there being no clear entry / exit point ...As far as there being no clear entry / exit point for an intruder: <br /><br />Forget about the window for a moment. It's entirely possible an intruder walks up to the Ramsey house, while they're out, and finds an unlocked door. <br /><br />I think it's safe to say the Ramseys and their neighbors did not think bad things would happen there. There was hardly any crime to speak of in Boulder, so I think it's very possible the Ramseys could have left one of their many doors unlocked as they left for Christmas dinner. <br /><br />The Ramseys seem like the type of people who would overlook making sure all doors are locked when going out. In different parts of the country / world there are many people who leave doors unlocked 24 / 7. <br /><br />As for the "state" of the doors / windows the next morning and day, we can't go by that because so many people show up and contaminate the crime scene. I don't think we can really know what was locked, and when, and by who. <br />Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-5001143070836128712014-06-10T04:09:53.925-04:002014-06-10T04:09:53.925-04:00In another post you pondered "who was the bod...In another post you pondered "who was the body being hidden from?" You concluded it was John hiding it from Patsy, but my own answer to your question would be: <br /><br />If an intruder killed JB, he hides her body where he does for a few reasons. <br /><br />1.) He feels shame / guilt upon realizing what he's done.<br />2.) It's his way of burying her in the best way he can. <br />3.) He wants to put the body out of the way to buy himself as much time as possible before police realize this is a murder. <br /><br />Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-30482964857289968962014-06-10T04:03:02.587-04:002014-06-10T04:03:02.587-04:00Hi again;
I think you may put too much stock int...Hi again; <br /><br />I think you may put too much stock into the ransom note. After looking at this case for a year, I realized you can only take 1 clue away from the note: the $118,000 figure. It's the only objective element in there. With everything else in the note, you can't know for sure where the writer was lying or telling the truth, or if they had a plan that later changed, or what. Any attempt to decipher the exact mindset and intention of the author is fruitless. A killer capable of a crime like this could have all sorts of idiosyncratic reasons for writing what he wrote, that only make sense to him. Even if someone happened to correctly decipher the author's exact intention and meaning, they can't *know* they're correct. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-43422037044345272942014-06-10T03:54:07.677-04:002014-06-10T03:54:07.677-04:00Hi Doc;
I definitely respect your work on the ca...Hi Doc; <br /><br />I definitely respect your work on the case despite the fact that I have a different opinion about what happened. <br /><br />One thing I would ask you: Why do you think John Ramsey continued to spend so much money on private investigators and continued to make TV appearances, if he was guilty? Once he knew he had avoided indictment and arrest, why didn't he just slip away into the shadows? Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-49120765333408183692014-05-08T14:39:40.158-04:002014-05-08T14:39:40.158-04:00She said John was going to check on Burke when she...She said John was going to check on Burke when she told him she was going downstairs to make the call. So John would have been headed upstairs while she went downstairs.<br /><br />What's really important, however, is not which version is true (probably neither) but the fact that the two versions contradict one another -- which leads us to seriously doubt their official story. Now why would they want to lie about who said what at that point?DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-42474054936173505462014-05-08T13:15:28.930-04:002014-05-08T13:15:28.930-04:00She didn't say that though , did she? She said...She didn't say that though , did she? She said along the lines of "I said I'm going to call the police and he said ok" So if that's true he would have known she was heading for the phone. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com