tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post3646090441976493513..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Open Thread -- part 2DocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger147125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-64211086903091223792022-08-06T04:16:47.127-04:002022-08-06T04:16:47.127-04:00Just reading through this blog. Apparently "U...Just reading through this blog. Apparently "Unknown" failed to read the URL he posted as "evidence" rope was used, not "cord." The URL says "evidence-CORD" (emphasis mine). CORD. <br /><br />Unknown May 24, 2016 at 9:33 PM<br />The pictures in these photos are not cords....it is rope. I am not attempting to be condescending, but a cord is made of elastic, vinyl material, rubber or some type of plastic material.<br />http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-cord-garrote.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-53227601778374607432020-09-10T06:52:38.553-04:002020-09-10T06:52:38.553-04:00Howdy would you mind letting me know which hosting...Howdy would you mind letting me know which hosting company you're utilizing? I've loaded your blog in 3 completely different browsers and I must say this blog loads a lot faster then most. Can you recommend a good internet hosting provider at a reasonable price? Cheers, I appreciate it! Hope you love my site <a href="https://www.hammondelec.com" rel="nofollow">สล็อ</a><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-8396584065916870802016-05-25T15:20:36.899-04:002016-05-25T15:20:36.899-04:00This is getting tiresome. If you supply specific r...This is getting tiresome. If you supply specific references to the books, research, etc. to which you refer, I will be happy to respond.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-3873274039512856202016-05-25T13:08:15.853-04:002016-05-25T13:08:15.853-04:00DocG.
Do you actually work in law enforcement or...DocG.<br /><br /> Do you actually work in law enforcement or just blog about absurdities...all my information is backed by books, research, autopsy reports, and information retrieved from the case files of the people that were actually there. <br /> If you are actually a doctor or a forensic specialist I will accept your ideas as being "plausible." <br /> I don't base my information on my opinion or feelings only the facts presented to me...that's why I like doing what I do professionally.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707489477332869844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-59362296245432875782016-05-24T22:59:39.238-04:002016-05-24T22:59:39.238-04:00You are entitled to your opinion, Mr. Baker. But y...You are entitled to your opinion, Mr. Baker. But you make many assumptions and easily jump to conclusions -- and, as I must insist, are misinformed. You also provide no references and until you do I won't respond to any specifics, sorry.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-37534108037093806772016-05-24T21:33:45.414-04:002016-05-24T21:33:45.414-04:00The pictures in these photos are not cords....it i...The pictures in these photos are not cords....it is rope. I am not attempting to be condescending, but a cord is made of elastic, vinyl material, rubber or some type of plastic material.<br />http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-cord-garrote.htm<br /><br /> Mervin Pugh transcript upon being interviewed; "How did she die? Was it strangulation." How would this be someones first guess, unless they had specific knowledge. <br /><br /> There was no and was never any evidence of any sexual abuse to JB...that was purely media hype...The original autopsy though not flawed "missed" several key points that two other Medical Examiners had agreed upon. The chronic damage to the inner wall of the vagina by the original Corner was later redacted as a misinterpretation. <br /> How could JB have been continually abused, sexually or otherwise and her pediatrician never reported this fact. <br /> Any case that requires a subject to beat a person tell their skull is cracked or suffers a severe subdural hematoma, no matter what the age....requires some significant rage or anger....you do not do this, just because you think it's a good idea...<br /><br /> Also the ingested pineapple was eaten after the Christmas dinner (crab). Therefore, someone either fed JB the pineapple prior to her death. She got up sometime prior to the assailant causing her great bodily harm and death and fed herself pineapple (this is not even remotely likely)...and the butler door that led into the kitchen was left open...<br /><br /> The only thing I can agree with you in this blog, is that Patsy did not kill JB....and I firmly believe the John did not kill her either.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707489477332869844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-53608662385459684592016-05-23T23:44:19.639-04:002016-05-23T23:44:19.639-04:00She was not strangled or tied with a rope. She was...She was not strangled or tied with a rope. She was tied with "cord." (see http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682514/The%20Cords). And yes, I've seen it described, in Steve Thomas's book, as “White Stansport” 32” strand 3/16” but whether or not it's used by contractors I can't say. I've seen several photos from the crime scene and it's definitely a fairly thin cord, resembling a shoelace, NOT rope. That type of cord could easily have been used to wrap a present or possibly used by one of the workers who'd been in the home recently. John could have used up all the cord he found, certainly. No need to presume it came from a roll that somehow vanished. And if John had cut the remaining cord and tape into little pieces it would have flushed very easily.<br /><br />And yes, I've read the police reports and the police interviews and the autopsy, of course. And I fail to understand your insistence that she must have bled externally, since it's contrary to the autopsy report and all other descriptions of the crime scene. I don't care if "the bleeding should have been external." It wasn't. Period. End of story.<br /><br />Signs of prior abuse were found by the medical examiner, who reported "chronic damage" to the inner wall of the vagina. According to Cyril Wecht and other forensic pathologists who examined that report, it was consistent with prior abuse. That doesn't constitute 100% proof, admittedly, and other interpretations have been offered, but it certainly is cause for suspicion. And it enables us to posit a motive for murder on John's part.<br /><br />I don't think she was murdered in an act of rage. I think the killing was calculated and the motive was to prevent her from reporting the abuse. Patsy had nothing to do with it, imo. If you read further in this blog you'll learn more about my analysis of this case.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-36063140940771506782016-05-23T13:01:19.580-04:002016-05-23T13:01:19.580-04:00Police Identified the rope as “White Stansport” 32...Police Identified the rope as “White Stansport” 32” strand 3/16” woven contractor rope that was for sale at the local Army Surplus and the local Home Depot and Lowes stores…nowhere else. <br /> Do you have access to the police reports and the autopsy reports, have you actually read these…and have actually read information from the detectives that were hired to look at this case with an unbiased opinion. <br /> Where exactly are you getting your information from? I attended one class with one of the Psychologist who was actually involved with the Ramsey interview and the case. I have read many books on the Ramsey Case including just finishing Law and Disorder and the Cases that Haunt us and have gone over some of the reports that are out there for the public to read.<br />(From the Autopsy Report): Craniocerebral Injuries:<br /> A.) Severe Scalp Contusion<br />B.) Linear, comminuted fracture (open fracture) of the right side of the skull.<br /> C.) Linear pattern of contusions of and on the right <br /> cerebral hemisphere.<br /> D.) Subarachnoid and subdural hemorrhage…bleeding should <br /> have been external. <br /> E.) Small contusions, tips of the temporal lobes. <br /> <br />You don’t think the detectives and other investigators didn’t look at the Christmas packages to see if there was this specific rope used. Try flushing rope and duct tape down the toilet…its easily retrievable by detectives and the crime scene units. I really think you need to look into your information a little more thoroughly. JB’s pediatrician was even interviewed and stated that JB had never shown any signs of abuse…Past behavior determines future behavior, neither Patsy or John ever showed any signs of child abusive behavior in the past….So out of some fit of unrecognizable rage, John or Patsy flew into a frenzy of anger and killed JB by either strangulation or bashing her head in??? <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707489477332869844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-44280702749794433552016-05-22T23:00:14.897-04:002016-05-22T23:00:14.897-04:00Contractor grade rope was not used. Perfectly ordi...Contractor grade rope was not used. Perfectly ordinary cord was used. It could certainly have been used on a gift package.<br /><br />Everyone with access to the house had their DNA tested. Why do you believe otherwise? What is your source of information regarding who was and was not tested? Again, it seems clear that you are misinformed on many aspects of this case. If you want to continue this dialogue I'm going to ask you to provide references to reliable sources.<br /><br />John was in the navy and had many opportunities to learn about knots regardless of whether he was actually a seaman or not. He also was an avid sailor on his own private boat after leaving the navy.<br /><br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-42390434699319844892016-05-22T22:53:12.405-04:002016-05-22T22:53:12.405-04:00Yes, neither that type of cord or duct tape was fo...Yes, neither that type of cord or duct tape was found. Why would it be, if the attacker used up all that was available. Alternatively John could have flushed the remainder down the toilet. You are assuming they came from rolls of cord or tape, but that's just an assumption.<br /><br />If the chair wasn't put there by the police then it was probably put there earlier by someone accessing something in the crawl space. I see nothing suspicious about that chair.<br /><br />I'm not sure what your point is regarding the head wound. There was no external bleeding. It was only after the med. examiner lifted her scalp that he saw the head wound. There was interior bleeding of course, but nothing visible on the exterior of her head. Are you saying that all the witnesses and the police and medical examiner were lying?<br /><br />The blanket could easily have been located by John. He certainly knew where the dryer was. I fail to see your point.<br /><br />Just because some marks on the body match a stun gun does not mean a stun gun was used. If a stun gun that matched had been found on or near the Ramsey home that would be different. Smit simply went shopping around for any stun gun that might match and apparently he found one. So what? The marks could have been made by all sorts of things, most likely some objects that were lying around the floor when she was bludgeoned. What Smit did is called cherry picking. <br /><br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-27091202615502092082016-05-22T21:53:37.387-04:002016-05-22T21:53:37.387-04:006. The cord used was probably taken from among gif...6. The cord used was probably taken from among gift packaging detritus and was probably used up by her <br /> attacker, with none left over.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Honestly: Who uses contractor grade rope for Christmas Packaging…Seriously!!<br />7. The DNA was tested against every single suspect and no match was found. If you do a search for DNA on this blog you'll learn why I don't consider it relevant. And I'm not the only one.<br /> Linda Pugh, her husband’s or other contractors or landscaper’s DNA was never tested against the suspect <br /> DNA…if this is actually in one of the websites you are looking at….it is definitively incorrect.<br /> 8. Yes, it seems clear that Arndt suspected John and I have no doubt she still does. As far as knots are <br /> concerned, John was in the navy and was also an experienced boatman. You have many misconceptions <br /> about this case.<br /> John Ramsey served as a civil engineer in the United States Navy….Not a Boatswains Mate. I served in the <br /> Navy for over 9 years and did not learn how to tie a knot until I went to Alaska on a Fishing boat.<br /><br /> I have attended many classes pertaining to this and other cases. I have absolutely no misconceptions on this case, outside of the fact that John or Patsy stood nothing to gain by killing their daughter. I have an idea that Patsy may have known or suspected someone prior to her death….The answer lies within the note, duct tape, and the rope…<br />If I am writing a ransom not I am not going to identify that there are two men watching the person I have kidnapped? I would write. “We have your daughter and she is being watched.” <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707489477332869844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-77640013147595823492016-05-22T21:53:00.887-04:002016-05-22T21:53:00.887-04:001.) The duct tape and cord were probably taken fro...1.) The duct tape and cord were probably taken from detritus left over from gift packaging that had been temporarily stored in the basement. Also workers had been in the house and there might have been a strand of cord or duct tape left in the basement by them. It's highly unlikely that an intruder would have arrived at the house equipped with rolls of tape and cord, and also unlikely that he'd have bothered to take them away with him.<br /> This is completely wrong: Detective Arndt and the investigative team found that the rope used for JB’s binds was not found anywhere on or around the property. Being a one-time contractor my duct tape always stayed in my tool boxes and I made sure it went with me when the job was done. The ransom not dictates that “the two men who are watching JB”….If I have three men involved in a kidnapping I would write the ransom note “the men I have watching JB.” <br />2.) The open window you've seen wasn't a window at all, but a crawl space. And yes someone had left a chair <br /> under it was probably when the police checked it out that morning:<br /> The police were questioned about this and no one remembered putting that chair in that position under that <br /> window.<br />3. JonBenet's head wound produced no external bleeding, which is why the forensics people suspect that <br /> the Maglite was the weapon used to bludgeon her as it has a relatively soft head.<br /> Seeing head wounds and seeing photographs on head wounds….head wound bleed profusely when the subject <br /> or victim is still alive. If the heart is beating….blood will pour out profusely until stopped or the heart is <br /> stopped…no matter how “soft the skull is” this in and of itself makes absolutely no sense.<br />4. A blanket was used, not a towel. And either Patsy or John could have taken it from the dryer.<br /> This in and of itself is also in question. The housekeeper did state it was a blanket (I was incorrect on this one) <br /> and Patsy or John pulled this out of the dryer. Your housekeeper cleans the house, mops, and washes and <br /> cleans the clothes. You have a company that is worth millions or billions and you hire a housekeeper….you are <br /> actually going to wash and dry your own laundry????<br />5. Lou Smit was the one responsible for the stun gun theory, but there was NO evidence whatsoever that a <br /> stun gun was used. The photos can be interpreted in many different ways and there are all sorts of things <br /> that could have produced those wounds. That one's a classic red herring.<br /> This is completely wrong!!! A forensic expert specializing on autopsies was brought in by an FBI <br /> profiling team. Lou Smit asked John Douglas to come in and help him out, the doctor (whose name I <br /> cannot recall right now) matched the marks on JB ‘s neck to a Tazer... I know looking at those <br /> marks…that was a Tazer.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707489477332869844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-58030693241505629502016-05-21T15:45:32.006-04:002016-05-21T15:45:32.006-04:001. The duct tape and cord were probably taken from...1. The duct tape and cord were probably taken from detritus left over from gift packaging that had been temporarily stored in the basement. Also workers had been in the house and there might have been a strand of cord or duct tape left in the basement by them. It's highly unlikely that an intruder would have arrived at the house equipped with rolls of tape and cord, and also unlikely that he'd have bothered to take them away with him.<br /><br />2. The open window you've seen wasn't a window at all, but a crawl space. And yes someone had left a chair under it, probably when the police checked it out that morning.<br /><br />3. JonBenet's head wound produced no external bleeding, which is why the forensics people suspect that the maglite was the weapon used to bludgeon her as it has a relatively soft head.<br /><br />4. A blanket was used, not a towel. And either Patsy or John could have taken it from the dryer.<br /><br />5. Lou Smit was the one responsible for the stun gun theory, but there was NO evidence whatsoever that a stun gun was used. The photos can be interpreted in many different ways and there are all sorts of things that could have produced those wounds. That one's a classic red herring.<br /><br />6. The cord used was probably taken from among gift packaging detritus and was probably used up by her attacker, with none left over.<br /><br />7. The DNA was tested against every single suspect and no match was found. If you do a search for DNA on this blog you'll learn why I don't consider it relevant. And I'm not the only one.<br /><br />8. Yes, it seems clear that Arndt suspected John and I have no doubt she still does.<br /><br />As far as knots are concerned, John was in the navy and was also an experienced boatman.<br /><br />You have many misconceptions about this case.<br /><br /><br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-85367325225173399052016-05-21T14:45:56.733-04:002016-05-21T14:45:56.733-04:00I have been reading about the JonBenet Ramsey case... I have been reading about the JonBenet Ramsey case for years now and have just read an listened to Law and Disorder written by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker. <br /> Several things in this case were never answered if they were ever asked. <br /> 1.) Where did the duct tape come from. The police and the detective stated that they conducted a very thorough search inside and out and could never find "any" duct tape. Referring to the duct tape found on JonBenet's mouth.<br />2.)In one of the crime scene photographs it shows an open window in the basement and a chair is clearly placed there? Did someone come in or did some one go out? It was quickly dismissed as being stated that one of the investigating officer's "may" have placed it there.<br />3.) Head wounds such as J.B's cause significant blood loss, if the victim is alive. Where is all the blood? Where are the towels or clothed used to clean up the blood?<br />4.) Linda Hoffman Pugh stated that the towel that was used to wrap J.B. was a towel that was in the dryer the day or night proceeding J.B.'s death and the Patsy Ramsey would have known that "specific" towel was in the clothes dryer. If they hired a housekeeper, would she not be the one that washed and dried the clothes??<br />5.)The original autopsy never caught the fact that J.B. was possibly (more than likely) knocked out using a Tazer. It took another doctor looking at the photographs years later to catch this. Looking at these photographs, I have no idea how that was even missed.<br />6.) Where did the rope come from? According to the investigation this type of rope is usually sold in 50' to 100' lengths. Who uses rope like this? Usually contractors, surveyors, landscapers, and other type or similar types of workers.<br />7.) DNA that was found at the crime scene that did not match Patsy or John's, was never tested against the Housekeeper, her husband, or other probable suspects...why not?<br />8.) Detective Linda Arndt had stated that at the time of finding J.B.'s body it finally clicked..."At that time I realized what happened and thought how many bullets do I have." (I do not presume to state that this was the exact quote), but she had assumed that John Ramsey who was in the wine cellar with her had killed J.B. Years later she would retract her statement.<br />Rope, Duct Tape, Extensive Knowledge of Contractor Knots/Navy Knot tying, unmatched DNA never tested against possible suspects. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707489477332869844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-7698270644367742402015-05-25T22:43:24.342-04:002015-05-25T22:43:24.342-04:00After the body was found Patsy turned into a baske...After the body was found Patsy turned into a basket case on meds, NOT a private investigator. She had no reason to assume John was guilty and a few weeks later he was declared "ruled out," which to her meant he could not have written the note. So no I don't think she suspected him at all. If she did she'd at the very least have left him.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-12753545871099848882015-05-25T22:39:42.906-04:002015-05-25T22:39:42.906-04:00There are two very different versions of what happ...There are two very different versions of what happened prior to the 911 call, which tells us they are lying. In fact we have no way of knowing for sure what went on before Patsy called. They both may have read the note together and argued about what to do. Or Patsy may have panicked and only read the opening lines before calling. We can't make the mistake of assuming anything when it come to this case, aside from the known facts. Their version(s) of what happened is NOT a fact.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-34299463447129832202015-05-25T22:36:55.235-04:002015-05-25T22:36:55.235-04:00I have no idea what Burke might know. But I feel s...I have no idea what Burke might know. But I feel sure John and possibly also his lawyers worked on him to keep silent. Probably because John suspects he might know something.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65014018285369157782015-05-25T17:14:57.317-04:002015-05-25T17:14:57.317-04:00Correction: I don't believe she wouldn't b...Correction: I don't believe she wouldn't be* curious (if she didn't know JDI). In fact I don't believe she'd be anything less than obsessed to find answers.Midnight Classicalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65901699602776668402015-05-25T17:02:54.037-04:002015-05-25T17:02:54.037-04:00PS: In your opinion why didn't Patsy ever read...PS: In your opinion why didn't Patsy ever read the RN, and according to Arndt didn't address that there was no call from kidnapper? Her daughter was first missing, then found murdered, additionally murderer's identity is still unknown and there is a, not one but three-page ransom note that she never read (?). She either knew John wrote it or someone discouraged her from reading it. I don't believe she wasn't curious. You will say if she knew JDI and was covering for him she wouldn't have made the 911 call. Maybe she knew JDI and was not covering and equally didn't trust her gut, or want to trust it, therefore avoiding RN note.MIdnight Classicalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-82952511619302018152015-05-25T15:28:14.295-04:002015-05-25T15:28:14.295-04:00DocG:
Do you suspect that Burke knows the truth? ...DocG:<br /><br />Do you suspect that Burke knows the truth? If so, wouldn't he have told Patsy? I find it unbelievable that he wouldn't have, and/or that Patsy wouldn't have taken his concern seriously. Either way, do you think Patsy knew of John's guilt before she passed on? Might she have revealed any clues to anyone? Also, do you find it likely that Burke's silence stems from fear of himself being (wrongly) prosecuted, or would it be more-so fear of John? Maybe he knows JDI but just cannot prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, or maybe he is clueless after all. I do assume he wants justice served for his sister.<br />I finally built the courage (after several months) to look at autopsy photos. Surprisingly I'm glad I did because I was shocked at the extent of fracture in skull. I now understand why you believe Burke couldn't/wouldn't have done it, and why some think it was an act of rage. But as you've stated, a single blow that kills is not usually done out of rage but to kill quickly and relatively painlessly.<br />I must admit, your dedication and people's cooperation in this blog is fascinating. <br /><br />Responses welcome.<br /><br />MCMidnight Classicalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-50356862171747739502015-05-01T20:49:11.852-04:002015-05-01T20:49:11.852-04:00A few last stray thoughts on the panties.
1. If...A few last stray thoughts on the panties. <br /><br />1. If JR took the size 6s off her, and put fresh size 12s on her, he could hardly have failed to notice the size difference. <br /><br />2. We don't know when the body was wiped down. My guess is that it was before the 911 call, as any evidence of sexual assault/activity might be discovered if PR woke up (and hence, the need for an additional murder). It's safer for JR to wipe away evidence even when he's still operating on plan A (dumping the body). If he left the body clean up for later, after PR/BR were out of the house then when the 911 call was made he obviously had to wipe the body before it was "found" in the house. But in this case, time would be of the essence. JR could be discovered at any moment by one of the many people in the house. It would take extra time to locate the size 12s and would take time to put them on. And of course, as I've already noted, it raises more questions than no panties at all would. '<br /><br />I suggest the simple explanation is that JBR had the 12s on all along -from the time JR entered her bedroom. There was never any semen staining on the "original" panties. This fits the physical evidence and PRs statements. <br /><br />That's all I can say about the panties. <br /><br />CHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-69841681776990489632015-05-01T20:32:56.239-04:002015-05-01T20:32:56.239-04:00Why the size 12s?
One way to approach this is...Why the size 12s? <br /><br />One way to approach this is to ask who the 12s were for. That is, who was supposed to notice/not notice the panties? <br /><br />In the original plan, the body would be dumped. With luck it would have been days -or longer- before the body was found. IMO the easiest thing to do would be blame the missing panties, along with any evidence of molestation, on the kidnappers. <br /><br />But if JR didn't want to blame missing panties on the kidnappers, then the panties had to be for PR's benefit. The police have no way of knowing what JBR had on at bedtime. But PR knew. The size 12s don't keep the police from asking where the "missing" panties went, they prevent PR from asking. But that creates a problem. The panties are way too big, and if JBR went to sleep in size 6s, the too big panties are just as much a problem as no panties - more so really. <br /><br />When the crime changes from an actual kidnapping to a "kidnapping gone wrong", what changes? <br /><br />Well, once again, the missing panties can simply be blamed on the intruder. This is by far the easiest thing to do, if the size 6s are stained. <br /><br />JR knows the body will be found in the house, and he knows there will be an autopsy. He knows that the absence of panties can be blamed on the intruder, and if he has noticed the size problem with the `12s, he knows that's a bigger problem than no panties at all. <br /><br />So, once the crime morphs into a "kidnapping gone bad" the only way JR puts size 12s on her is if a) he can't think fast enough to blame the intruder for the missing panties, and b) he doesn't notice the size problem. The later is critical, as the size 12s raise more questions than no panties at all would. And the answers are more difficult to accept as believable. <br /><br />So JR must not have known about the size problem? But how could that be? If he'd removed them from a package then put them on her for the first time, he could hardly fail to notice they are the wrong size for JBR. OTOH, if the 12s are already on her, he'd have no reason to think they looked suspicious, even if he did notice the size problem. If they went down and back up with the LJs, he may not have noticed at all. <br /><br />But why would JBR being wearing size 12s before JR began the nights "activities" ? <br /><br />Patsy tells the story that the 12s were originally for a niece but were never sent, JBR asked to have them, and they were in the panty drawer for JBR to wear when she wanted. So, whether one thinks it would be comfortable or not, it might well be that JBR had access to them and put them on herself before JR came into her bedroom later in the night. If that were the case, that would explain why they are on the dead body. The body was redressed exactly as JR had found her when he took her to the basement. <br /><br />For those who can't accept that JBR already had the size 12s on, then PR's story -about the 12s being in the drawer- is a lie and must be explained. As I see it this story does not help JR. In fact, it makes the entire "intruder" scenario that much harder to accept. I certainly can't see why JR would encourage PR to make up such a story when it chips away at the credibility (already very low) of the intruder scenario. <br /><br />CHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-37007136613127690852015-05-01T20:03:30.252-04:002015-05-01T20:03:30.252-04:00@ Jay
I'm not saying it had to happen the way...@ Jay<br /><br />I'm not saying it had to happen the way I'm guessing, just that it's a very good possibility. <br /><br />Since there was no semen found, on the body or clothing, it stands to reason -as a possibility- that no semen was deposited. It may be that the night's activities didn't include JR getting his "jollies" but rather was just for the purpose of silencing JBR and obscuring evidence of prior molestation. <br /><br />It's also possible he ejaculated on the body, not on the underwear. <br /><br />At any rate, we know that no semen was found so it's very reasonable to think that the panties she had on when carried to the basement never became stained with semen. <br /><br />But, if not, why the size 12s? <br /><br />CH<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-57925099971097249062015-04-28T10:43:29.267-04:002015-04-28T10:43:29.267-04:00My thinking is based on the assumption that John w...My thinking is based on the assumption that John would have known nothing about any oversize panties and would not have noticed anything amiss when he redressed her. He would certainly have had more things on his mind at that point than worrying about panty size. While John might have argued that the absence of panties meant they were taken by "the intruder," the discrepancy between the ransom note and the body found in-house certainly made the police suspect an inside job. And John would have had no way of knowing for sure whether or not Patsy might wonder where JonBenet's panties were.<br /><br />I'm not saying it had to have happened as I envision it, but it's really hard for me to find any reason why JonBenet would have wanted to change to that oversize pair in the middle of the night. And Patsy would certainly have noticed if she had been put to bed wearing them.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-3606551548930703292015-04-28T08:27:45.901-04:002015-04-28T08:27:45.901-04:00Sorry, it should read "missing tip of the pai...Sorry, it should read "missing tip of the paintbrush not found".<br /><br />JayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com