tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post34641265960107978..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Desperately Seeking PatsyDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-4056663437942578562013-04-07T10:47:26.372-04:002013-04-07T10:47:26.372-04:00If they thought it would be too risky to remove th...If they thought it would be too risky to remove the body from the house, then they would not have reported a kidnapping. Nor would there have been any reason to hide the body in the basement. They'd have displayed the body prominently and claimed she'd been assaulted by a pedophile intruder. Workmen had been in the house recently, so the duct tape could have been left by them. If the murder had been premeditated, the note would not have been hand printed, nor written on a pad from the house.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-939640694227949052013-04-06T16:28:57.192-04:002013-04-06T16:28:57.192-04:00maybe they didnt take jon benet outside because it...maybe they didnt take jon benet outside because it was to risky. so they leave her in the cellar. the 911 call was the first part of the staging. the ransom note was the second. patsy purchased duct tape and cord on the 2 and 9 of decemeber from mcguckin hardware. why was she buying these items. it can never be proved she bought these items, but its obvious she did. it makes me wonder if the murder was premeditated.lee dumetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069478296393921019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-56313025119343036112013-03-23T22:25:05.408-04:002013-03-23T22:25:05.408-04:00Why are you assuming "they" wrote the no...Why are you assuming "they" wrote the note? If "they" wrote it, then they would never have agreed to call the police while the body was still in the house. And no, I see no need for the writer to have worn gloves -- unless it was an intruder, which of course it wasn't. If John wrote the note, as I feel sure he did, there'd have been no need to wear gloves since his prints could have gotten onto the note while he was reading it. On the other hand, he might have worn gloves as an aid in disguising his hand. In any case, prints often don't show up even when someone has handled something.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-26241473353169112862013-03-23T17:42:34.888-04:002013-03-23T17:42:34.888-04:00did patsy and john wear gloves when they wrote the...did patsy and john wear gloves when they wrote the ransom note.lee dumetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069478296393921019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-56268467082528203452013-03-11T10:48:45.343-04:002013-03-11T10:48:45.343-04:00All that tells us is what law enforcement people a...All that tells us is what law enforcement people already know: fingerprints aren't always retrievable. I see nothing suspicious in the lack of prints, because as you say, if their prints had been found on the note, that was only to be expected, as they made no secret of having handled it that morning. If your hands are clean, you may well not leave prints.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-74595421128717451752013-03-10T14:13:20.256-04:002013-03-10T14:13:20.256-04:00remember patsy and john's prints were not on t...remember patsy and john's prints were not on the ransom note. they should have been because they found it, then read it.lee dumetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069478296393921019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-13461966657208015372013-01-29T13:21:55.929-05:002013-01-29T13:21:55.929-05:00jon benet was being sexually abused before the mur...jon benet was being sexually abused before the murder, and that is the key to the whole case in my opinion.lee dumetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069478296393921019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-1519179109042684902012-12-14T17:24:51.199-05:002012-12-14T17:24:51.199-05:00What makes me suspicious is the bed wetting that n...What makes me suspicious is the bed wetting that night. Was that a frequent occurrence? At age six children should not have issues with that. Which means that she was a secondary bed wetter indicating either emotional or physical abuse at home. Every child around Christmas time should be excited yes but not stressed out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65511790331189644442012-12-05T10:11:01.458-05:002012-12-05T10:11:01.458-05:00Oops, I provided the wrong link. Here's the co...Oops, I provided the wrong link. Here's the correct one: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-basement-window-part-4.html<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-55717510242614610662012-12-04T23:29:44.443-05:002012-12-04T23:29:44.443-05:00Well, first of all, she was lying. She did not swe...Well, first of all, she was lying. She did not sweep up any glass when she said she did. If that story were true they'd have had no problem recalling whether the window had been repaired or not. Also the housekeeper denied knowing anything about any broken window in the basement and denied helping Patsy clean up the glass as Patsy had claimed.<br /><br />While Patsy's willingness to lie to support John's lie about breaking in earlier certainly implies she was involved in the entire coverup, there is other, more convincing, evidence that tells us she must be innocent. This is one of the most baffling aspects of a very baffling case, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were skeptical. To be brief, if Patsy and John were in it together, then the 911 call would not have been made while the body was still in the house.<br /><br />So to understand why Patsy would lie to support John's version of what happened we have to go elsewhere and find some other motive for her to lie for him. I believe I've found it and discuss her situation in the following post: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/07/some-handwriting-evidence.html<br /><br />See under the heading "Why Did Patsy Lie?"<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-6643145774318439542012-12-04T21:09:04.642-05:002012-12-04T21:09:04.642-05:00Patsy must be involved by evidence that she swept ...Patsy must be involved by evidence that she swept up the glass from the window John broke months before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-78143338106241400032012-12-01T00:52:14.331-05:002012-12-01T00:52:14.331-05:00There is a connection with the number 4 and the wo...There is a connection with the number 4 and the words small foreign if you think about the Ramsey family history.icedtea4menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-66621989721133705892012-11-30T13:48:22.936-05:002012-11-30T13:48:22.936-05:00Interesting observation. But to me it just happens...Interesting observation. But to me it just happens to look like a "4." The writer seems to have gone to some trouble at the beginning to distort the letters and make them look odd. The two different "l"s seems consistent with that effort. Later on we see more normal and consistent lettering.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-31811163301928317152012-11-30T00:54:14.655-05:002012-11-30T00:54:14.655-05:00You will notice that in the word small the two ls ...You will notice that in the word small the two ls were not written like this: ll. The first l was written like a capital L and the second one was written in lowercase. The way they were written resembles an open-top numeral 4. This is the only time in the note where the ls were written in this manner. What significance, if any, do you think the number 4 has?icedtea4menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-49475243655426981732012-08-21T08:36:50.957-04:002012-08-21T08:36:50.957-04:00In their book, John says he's right handed. Bu...In their book, John says he's right handed. But the court document we've seen looks like it was written with the left hand. So does the note, yes. It's possible John is ambidextrous, but usually writes with his right hand, so most of his historic exemplars could have been done with the right hand. This might be what threw the "experts" off when they ruled him out.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-87614415629817300232012-08-20T21:52:57.799-04:002012-08-20T21:52:57.799-04:00I believe the note was written by a person's &...I believe the note was written by a person's "off" hand or left hand if he/she ws right-handed. That could be why the letters were crooked and not well-made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-65277741846568726132012-08-19T23:52:01.360-04:002012-08-19T23:52:01.360-04:00Yes, thank you, and I agree. The note was not simp...Yes, thank you, and I agree. The note was not simply a fake ransom note, but part of a plan, so it had to be long enough to set the plan up convincingly. <br /><br />As for "throwing everyone off his track," I don't think the note in itself could have done that, but the plan as a whole, including the note and the window staging, plus getting rid of the body and all the evidence, would have made it almost impossible to make a case against him. If all had gone according to plan, there would be no evidence, period. Of course, what actually happened was so bizarre and so difficult for the police to figure out, that he got away with it anyhow. At least as far as the law was concerned. Public opinion is a different matter. He paid dearly for the failure of his plan, losing his business and having to fight for years to avoid prosecution, after spending a fortune on lawyers, PR people, handwriting "experts," private detectives, etc. If his plan had worked he might not have had to deal with any of that.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-51101176455093365112012-08-19T21:09:33.613-04:002012-08-19T21:09:33.613-04:00I'm sure doc will answer, but may I take a sta...I'm sure doc will answer, but may I take a stab? <br /><br />The note could have been shorter, but it had to have some things in it a real note might not need. <br /><br />One, It had to say that the kidnappers had JB, and that would be true even if the note were real. A real note wouldn't need to say who had her, but that might have been thought necessary to help fool PR? (a group of individuals representing a small foreign faction) <br /><br />The note, if real, didn't really have to say how much the ransom demand amounted to, that could be said on the phone, but JR needed a record of the amount so he could justify withdrawing that amount. The note had to specify a call coming "tomorrow" (the 27th) to provide time to dump the body and collect the money. <br /><br />The note also had to have several warnings of dire consequences if police were called in. <br /><br />So yes, it could have been shorter, but something like "We have your daughter, will contact you soon" would not suffice for JR's plan. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-34040474614098221702012-08-19T14:12:58.732-04:002012-08-19T14:12:58.732-04:00Hello, DocG !
One thing that has always perplexed...Hello, DocG !<br /><br />One thing that has always perplexed me about the RN ?<br /><br />WHY write a 3 page note ?<br /><br />WHAT would be the reason, or motive, for such a long note, as most "ransom notes" are usually straight and to the point ?<br /><br />Yes, it was part of the staging ... but did he think it would "throw everyone off his track" ? <br /><br />Makes NO sense IMO.<br /><br />Your thoughts ... TIA !<br /><br />MizzMarple MizzMarplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936700871844738026noreply@blogger.com