tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post3062424316647258500..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Did Lin Wood Have a Change of Heart?DocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger234125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-86173617684866846082016-11-23T09:08:49.731-05:002016-11-23T09:08:49.731-05:00Very flattering, but you don't need me to boo...Very flattering, but you don't need me to boost your confidence, HKH. You do good research, you're not afraid to think outside the box, your posts are clear and well-organized and you've shared some valuable insights. Thank you.<br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-74155268439978232892016-11-22T19:16:57.704-05:002016-11-22T19:16:57.704-05:00The movie that was out a couple of weeks ago showe...The movie that was out a couple of weeks ago showed Patsy's side of the bed unmade. It was not an actual evidence photo or real photo of the house, just a reenactment of the bedroom for the movie. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-80418903427272185242016-11-22T15:09:43.377-05:002016-11-22T15:09:43.377-05:00Screw Lin Wood...that's what I say! If John sa...Screw Lin Wood...that's what I say! If John said it, and it's on video..what "fires" are there to light? <br /><br />Mike G. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-36051040920857010332016-11-22T10:31:35.450-05:002016-11-22T10:31:35.450-05:00My question on the window why anyone would need to...My question on the window why anyone would need to break the window even during summer when I think JR indicated the window was always unlatched because it was stuck. I also would think someone would get cut and leave some sort of DNA/blood regardless of when entered through window. There were guests in basement just prior to 12/25, FWhite, LPugh etc, so someone might have noticed the broken window too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-5398404604931465342016-11-22T09:50:30.762-05:002016-11-22T09:50:30.762-05:00Thank you, HKH.
Now Bgh, I must ask you: where d...Thank you, HKH. <br /><br />Now Bgh, I must ask you: where do you stand in regard to the intruder theory? If you want to insist that John was being perfectly honest about all the doors being locked, and his story about breaking the window earlier is actually what happened, then I'm assuming you believe him to be innocent, and that an intruder with a key must have entered the house. Is that really what you believe? And if not, then you too must answer the question: why wouldn't John have opened a door before the police arrived?<br /><br />As for John's interview with the police, let me refer you to the analysis I've provided, beginning here: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/08/clear-evidence-of-staging-basement.html<br /><br />As HKH has pointed out, and should be especially clear after critically reviewing his testimony, John's story is full of holes and literally beyond belief.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-74655356256888748582016-11-22T09:32:09.224-05:002016-11-22T09:32:09.224-05:00But there IS a witness. Two in fact. Linda Hoffman...But there IS a witness. Two in fact. Linda Hoffman Pugh and her husband, both of whom deny any knowledge of any broken window. And there IS evidence, assuming the shards of broken glass have been properly preserved. If the edges of the glass are clean, as I strongly suspect, then the break was new and John was lying. And if the window had been broken by some other means, as you suggest, then that still makes John a liar.<br /><br />As for the rest, I do think a pattern emerges, when all the evidence is taken into consideration, that points to John and only John. And there is more than enough evidence to squelch any reasonable intruder theory.<br /><br />Thus John could be indicted for probably cause, at the very least, no? And once he's put on trial, there is no way his lawyers would try to point the finger at either Patsy or Burke. That would be a disaster for the defense as I'm sure you recognize. <br /><br />Of course, if in fact Patsy or Burke actually did do the crime, and John "only" assisted in the coverup, it would be in John's interest to reveal his knowledge of what happened to the authorities prior to his trial -- and hope they would believe him. <br /><br />In view of the above, I see no reason not to indict John Ramsey for murder one. This is a very unusual case, CC, and if justice is to be done, the prosecution will have to be approach it in an unusual manner.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-48400397130157240432016-11-22T06:54:35.801-05:002016-11-22T06:54:35.801-05:00Oh, c'mon, Bgh. How can you say JR gave LE a ...Oh, c'mon, Bgh. How can you say JR gave LE a very detailed description of being locked out of the house? JR's response to many of the questions asked by LE about the prior window incident, was "I don't remember." There were also quite a few leading questions, that JR seemed to just go along with. Here's an example:<br /><br />ST: Tom, let me just ask John this. Do you sit down and slide through, buttocks first if you will, through a window like that or, do you recall how you went through the actual window, John?<br />JR: I don’t I mean, I don’t remember. Seems like, I mean, I don’t remember, but I think I would probably gone in feet first.<br /><br />HKHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-61084379229570901042016-11-22T06:54:26.288-05:002016-11-22T06:54:26.288-05:00One last word, Doc, then I'll desist.
"T...One last word, Doc, then I'll desist.<br /><br />"There IS evidence. Plenty of it." Evidence is that which proves a fact. The pineapple proves JBR ate pineapple, not who fed it to her. The autopsy evidence of prior molestation prove she was abused, but not by whom. The pad proves the RN was written in the home, but not the author. The circumstances in your chain do not lead incontrovertibly to just one person, but only to an occupant of the house, and that is and since 1996 has been the evidentiary stumbling block. <br />CC Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-55233237241365897062016-11-22T06:39:11.699-05:002016-11-22T06:39:11.699-05:00Thanks, AMD, but I shouldn't try to make sense...Thanks, AMD, but I shouldn't try to make sense late at night after a long day. Mike Kane, the GJ specialist Alex Hunter brought in, has said there is a great deal the public does not know, or about which it is incorrect, but one of the cops (was it Steve Thomas? I no longer recall) has said everything is out there. I would tend to agree with you - whatever they may have held back, it's not enough to make a case, and apparently does nothing to resolve dissension within the ranks.<br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47345680931690161122016-11-22T04:32:29.198-05:002016-11-22T04:32:29.198-05:00@Bhg, any idea where you read that Dr. Phil came u...@Bhg, any idea where you read that Dr. Phil came under fire from LW and had to do some sort of damage control interview? I'd be interested in reading that, as it might confirm my suspicions that LW probably had a fair amount of control over the Dr. Phil interview. It's pretty telling if Dr. Phil did a damage control episode because LW was upset.<br /><br />Also, after a LOT of searching, I was able to find all 3 full episodes of BR's interview with Dr. Phil, plus the extra Q & A special. I didn't have time (or any desire) to watch each from start to finish, but I did scroll through each and watch all of the parts where JR was speaking. I still couldn't find any mention of the flashlight by JR. I'm not saying you and Mike G. are wrong, just that I still couldn't find anything. <br /><br />Here is the link to the full episode of part 1 of BR's interview. If you scroll down and click, "more videos" you can find each part, plus the extra Q & A special. They are labeled DRPBR1, DRPBR2, etc.<br /><br />http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4t5yrf_drpbr1_tvHKHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-5763852334470786792016-11-22T01:42:22.993-05:002016-11-22T01:42:22.993-05:00I find your perspective is really helpful, CC. It&...I find your perspective is really helpful, CC. It's a bit of a worry to me that those closest to the case have come up with different theories. I know the public doesn't know all the evidence, but what's been withheld can't be all that definitive (can it?) if it can be interpreted so differently.<br /><br />AMDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-89928159492627492752016-11-22T00:36:03.548-05:002016-11-22T00:36:03.548-05:00Sorry Doc, I love your blog, but what you're d...Sorry Doc, I love your blog, but what you're doing is obfuscation. The first thing anyone does in staging an intruder crime scene is set up the intruder entry point- you don't forget or run out of time, then tell LI all the doors were locked when they arrive. As far as the broken window, I read a very detailed description JR gave to LI about being locked out of the house. He arrived home late at night from a business trip in a taxi, Patsy was out of town with the kids, and he didn't have his garage remote control (they normally went in through the garage door, which in fact is how I get in my house), and all the house doors were locked. It didn't occur to him the neighbors had keys and he had no clue how to call a locksmith, so he picked a cheap window to break. Whether the window was ever repaired or not was probably not a big item on his priority list, he might have even left it broken in case he ever got locked out again ( if I'm not mistaken, he even said he used it more than once). I doubt if he would care if insects or rodents got in, he doesn't seem the type. And that basement was a hot mess! Hard to believe anyone spent much time down there, including the kids. Someone eventually cleaned up the broken glass, if it wasn't the housekeeper, it was PR. This was way before Thanksgiving. I think Fleet White said he picked up a shard of glass off the windowsill and set it on the suitcase the day JBRs body was found. Don't know about you, but when things get broken around my house, if it's not in an obvious area, I'll still be finding shards of glass months after the fact. And in a filthy basement, maybe never.Bghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09362758212398755825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-13941064243513182342016-11-22T00:32:02.354-05:002016-11-22T00:32:02.354-05:00And I'm tired - too many "for examples&qu...And I'm tired - too many "for examples" - and must not be explaining myself well, or perhaps my three years as an A.S.A. were too many years ago now, as we usually understand one another.<br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-6168179330336593812016-11-22T00:24:43.014-05:002016-11-22T00:24:43.014-05:00"It's the State's position, ladies an..."It's the State's position, ladies and gentlemen, that John Ramsey did not break that window in August of 1996 because he forgot his key, but broke it Christmas night, in an attempt to stage an intruder break-in, and we will prove it by introducing. . ." What? What fact will you introduce that proves that part of your theory? Is there a witness? Fingerprints? DNA on the broken glass? A torn shirt sleeve? <br /><br />And a good prosecutor anticipates the defense's efforts to create reasonable doubt: J's window broken by Burke throwing something, for example. How do you keep the jury from lending credence to that, for example?<br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-76507572619331698292016-11-22T00:10:08.698-05:002016-11-22T00:10:08.698-05:00What you have is the prosecution's theory of t...What you have is the prosecution's theory of the case, which usually forms opening argument. The prosecutor then goes on to build on his opening argument by introducing pieces of evidence or circumstances that prove his case. What you've got is a theory, and one I happen to support, but the evidence that proves facts just isn't there.<br />CC<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-67509163406405413762016-11-22T00:07:39.811-05:002016-11-22T00:07:39.811-05:00"And as we've discussed, motive is a cruc..."And as we've discussed, motive is a crucial component of a circumstantial case."<br /><br />But you yourself have provided an excellent motive, as presented on this blog. As I understand it, there is no need to prove motive, as it's impossible to read someone's mind. But the motive you yourself have suggested is certainly probable enough for a jury to consider. And it would be up to the jury, wouldn't it, to decide if such a motive were convincing.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-36912080088624045062016-11-22T00:01:30.328-05:002016-11-22T00:01:30.328-05:00I was simply clarifying what you yourself have cla...I was simply clarifying what you yourself have claimed, CC. I agreed from the start of that last post that none of the evidence is conclusive. But there IS evidence. Plenty of it! Far more than we'd expect to find in a typical murder case, I'd say.<br /><br />Also, with all respect, I still find it hard to understand why you keep insisting on evidence that "conclusively, incontrovertibly lead[s] to one suspect . . ." If we had someone dead to rights like that then there would never have been any controversy and no need even for a trial. In most cases of that kind the perp takes a plea.<br /><br />We HAVE been over this many times, but it still seems to me as though you are refusing to consider even the possibility of a circumstantial case. While logical inference is not evidence, it can most certainly be applied to the evidence in the construction of a circumstantial case. And when you say logical inferences are not permitted in a court of law, I must say you lose me completely. Arguments presented in court are full of logical inferences -- how could they possibly be excluded? Are you referring to a particular statute? Can you supply a reference?DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-27438690959078101482016-11-21T23:50:59.068-05:002016-11-21T23:50:59.068-05:00There is no direct evidence, Doc. Direct evidence...There is no direct evidence, Doc. Direct evidence is witness testimony or tangible, physical evidence - forensics, documents, and the like. There is only circumstantial evidence, and while that can make for a strong, prosecuteable case, the circumstances comprising the chain of evidence must lead to only one person or only one theory, to the exclusion of all others. And as we've discussed, motive is a crucial component of a circumstantial case. <br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-60118957185061400452016-11-21T23:40:24.940-05:002016-11-21T23:40:24.940-05:00No. We've had this argument many times. The ...No. We've had this argument many times. The problem with your "evidence" is that it does not conclusively, incontrovertibly lead to one suspect or even one theory TO THE ABSOLUTE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHERS, as is amply proved by the BDI, PDI, JDI and, indeed, all-family advocates posting on your blog every day. All the critical thinking and imagination you've brought to bear and that you so fervently wish LE would apply produces only logical inferences, which are not evidence and not admissible in a court of law. <br />CC<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-44974148914097974572016-11-21T23:18:46.231-05:002016-11-21T23:18:46.231-05:00Actually, CC, what you mean is "conclusive ev...Actually, CC, what you mean is "conclusive evidence." I wonder if there has ever been, in the history of crime, a case where more evidence was available. In this case we have:<br /><br />a body; both murder weapons (maglite and "garrote"); a 2 1/2 page HAND PRINTED note; the notepad from which the paper for the note was torn; DNA evidence; fiber evidence; fingerprint evidence; pineapple in the victim's digestive tract; a broken basement window; a suitcase flush against the wall beneath that window; some pieces of broken glass on the floor; an undisturbed spider web connecting the grate to the lawn; an undisturbed spider web sitting in a corner of the basement window; packing peanuts from the window well strewn on the basement floor beneath the window; lack of footprints in either the snow or the thin layer of frost observed by the police; lack of disturbance of any kind anywhere outside; autopsy evidence of prior sexual molestation; swelling of the brain prior to death, indicating that the head blow preceded the strangulation; lack of defensive wounds on the neck, also consistent with the head blow coming first; the victim's hairs entwined with the knotting of the "garrote," also consistent with the head blow coming first.<br /><br />I'm sure others reading here can add to this long long list. The problem is not lack of evidence, but lack of imagination, critical thinking and an inability to think logically in such a manner as to put all the pieces together.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-18625307184172755052016-11-21T22:55:20.844-05:002016-11-21T22:55:20.844-05:00As for John reporting that all the doors were lock...As for John reporting that all the doors were locked, that is admittedly a bit of a puzzle. My best guess is that he simply ran out of time to do everything he needed to do before the police arrived. He must have been in the basement, cleaning up the glass, and by the time he went upstairs, the police might have already arrived. Too late to unlock a door. And for all he knew they'd already checked all the doors. So maybe he had no choice but to report that they were all locked.<br /><br />Those details are far from clear. But it IS clear, to me at least, that there is no way he broke that window prior to the night of the crime. His story was clearly an alibi. Actually more of a Hail Mary. If he hadn't come up with it, then that broken window would have been seen as precisely what it was: staging.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-40453162468479460102016-11-21T22:52:30.489-05:002016-11-21T22:52:30.489-05:00Thank you, CC. I feel much more confident knowing...Thank you, CC. I feel much more confident knowing that you arrived at the same conclusion. I've heard many people claim (on other sites) that PR's side of the bed was still made. It's touted as a known fact, yet I couldn't find any evidence to support it. I was starting to think that maybe I was just missing something.<br /><br />AMD, the photo you linked is the same one that I was referring to. While I admit that the bed isn't close enough to say without a doubt that one side is made and one side isn't, if any side appears to still be made, it's the left side (left as you face the bed.) JR said this was his side. On the right side of the bed, the comforter is pulled back. Also, on the right side, both the comforter and the blanket underneath the comforter are untucked at the foot of the bed. <br /><br />I do agree with your last sentence, AMD. I don't see this as irrefutable evidence that someone didn't go to bed. I just find it perplexing that people claim PR's side was still made. From what I've found, if anyone's side was still made, it seems to me it was JR's side.HKHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-19640924666501706142016-11-21T22:47:30.583-05:002016-11-21T22:47:30.583-05:00John's story is clearly a fabrication from beg...John's story is clearly a fabrication from beginning to end. It's not just that one element but the whole thing. He can't recall when this happened. He can't recall why he didn't have his key -- maybe he lent it to his son, maybe he misplaced it. He can't recall whether or not he took a cab home that night. He can't recall whether he took his shirt off. He can't recall how he broke the window. He was never asked, but if he had been asked, how could he explain knowing exactly where to break the window, as it was pitch dark at 11 PM. And why would he have wanted to break out only that relatively small portion of the pane when it would have been much easier to break out the entire pane.<br /><br />Especially suspicious is his inability to recall whether the window had ever been repaired. And his apparent lack of concern over a break in his window that could have permitted insects or even birds to enter the house over six months, not to mention the ice cold Colorado winter wind. Finally we must remember that neither Linda nor her husband knew anything about any broken window or broken glass. <br /><br />We must also consider the condition of the glass itself, which has never been made public, but can be inferred from the actions of his interviewers. If the edges were seen to be encrusted with 6 months worth of dust and dirt, then obviously his story would check out and there would have been no need to question him further -- or ask whether the window had been repaired. But he WAS questioned. At length. In both 1997 and 1998. If the evidence was consistent with an old break, there would have been no need for such questioning.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-16511902490024279272016-11-21T22:25:45.061-05:002016-11-21T22:25:45.061-05:00I'll just add my 2 cents worth about the broke...I'll just add my 2 cents worth about the broken window. I have believed JRs story from the beginning about breaking the window when he was locked out. Why? Because during my lifetime I have witnessed a few instances of men doing this instead of being willing to go to the neighbors for a key, call someone, or whatever, esp if it was late at night. In one case, the guy completely destroyed the door frame and expensive front door of a rental property rather than call the landlady to come and open the door. Then he tried to do a half-assed repair job, which the landlady saw immediately and evicted him. So JRs story of breaking a cheap basement window instead of just going to the neighbors is totally believable to me. Plus taking off an expensive suit to climb through that filthy window well. He just wanted to get in, not go bother the neighbors! That aside, from the pictures we have available, it doesn't look like anyone could have come through that window, not just the cobwebs, but the plants growing over the grate, the dirt, and the lack of footprints. So if breaking the window was staging, he did a lousy job! I don't think that's what happened. He told LI when they arrived he had checked all the doors and everything was locked. But wait! How did the intruder get in then? Then he had to fall back on the broken window. But why did he tell LI he checked all the doors if he was staging an intruder crime scene? To me, along with other things we've discussed on here, this means he didn't do it, and didn't even know JBR was in the basement when LI arrived. He got on board with the cover up later, either PR told him, or he discovered JBRs body himself at 10:00 AM, as he slipped up and said at one point. PR wrote the note, either she or BR killled JBR and the other things. <br /><br />Bghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09362758212398755825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-78004401762162760292016-11-21T21:38:27.482-05:002016-11-21T21:38:27.482-05:00Mike G -posted this earlier but can't find it ...Mike G -posted this earlier but can't find it anywhere so here goes again. Agree this has caught the attention of others, it's extremely significant. Not saying anything will be done about it. I read somewhere that Dr Phil came under fire from LW about this, and had to do some sort of "damage control" interview after the BR interviews-maybe that's what we saw? Still don't understand why they are even admitting this now, maybe because the CBS show suggested doing more updated analysis on the flashlight and they wanted to get ahead of it? It's the only thing I can think of.Bghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09362758212398755825noreply@blogger.com