tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post2778360428253481570..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Clear Evidence of Staging: The Basement WindowDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-11870097486999974622019-11-28T11:52:20.761-05:002019-11-28T11:52:20.761-05:00I kinda thought the same thing, but I'm not su...I kinda thought the same thing, but I'm not sure. I might have had those same thoughts last summer but my wife usually handles stuff like that.š<br />But seriously, u make a good point. It seems John didn't try too hard to sell that part of his "staged intruder entry point" to investigators. But... maybe that was part of it? He's a bright man. He knows how to anticipate people's reactions. He knows how to get 3 moves ahead and if he actually killed her, it's likely that he played out every possible scenario in case this day would ever come. IDidntDoIthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027968749995634546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-34895844922679831402019-04-17T05:17:59.034-04:002019-04-17T05:17:59.034-04:00Reading through these comments, I am seeing so man...Reading through these comments, I am seeing so many āfactsā surrounding this case that have since been debunked. For example, it was reported that John was missing for 50 minutes but later the officer that reported that realized he had just been in another room going through the mail. The officer had assumed he left to get the mail when she saw him going through it, but later realized there was a mail slot. Like so many āfactsā in this case, the police leaked to the media that it was reported that John was missing for 50 minutes without ever leaking the follow up correction that the officer was mistaken. You have to understand that every fact that was leaked to the media has a similar underlying truth. The first officer immediately thought John was guilty by how he was holding his stiff, rigimortis daughter. All of her observations were framed from that one moment and this suspicion infected the other officers, then the media and then the public. This is just asinine to think that John would break a window and then sweep up the glass and hide the glass somewhere where investigators who thought he was guilty never found it. He never left the house, so why would he get rid of or hide glass that helps support that someone broke in through the window and why say he actually broke it himself if he did break it himself to stage an intruder? None of this makes any rational sense. But it does if you were infected by the policeās slow drip of leaked misleading āfactsā that people still believe to this day. Like, for instance, that JonBenet was hit first and strangled several hours later. This is another thing the police leaked and itās their interpretation not any actual fact. Other unbiased experts believe she was still conscious while she was strangled and clawed at her throat which is why there are scratch marks on her skin. My point here is that people are not willing to accept that the very reason they suspect the Ramseys is because of the misleading information the police intentionally leaked to the media to sway public opinion against them. This was a propaganda campaign, and many people bought it hook, line and sinker. The truth is that we donāt actually know many of the real facts of the case. We only have the biased police accounts and the Ramseysā accounts. We donāt really know what the truth is. There may be a fact about the pineapple that the police know but never shared with the public because it makes the Ramseys look innocent. They only shared things that made them look guilty or shared their interpretation of inconclusive evidence in a way that was biased against them. We think we know things, but the media picks and chooses what is revealed to us to make a case that is the most controversial. Controversial stories get ratings. Imagine if this happened to you. Seemingly innocent facts about your life are cherry picked and strung together to cast suspicion upon you and ruin your reputation. You would be outraged. But they do it all the time because saying youāre a nice person isnāt controversial. You only knew about this case what the police wanted you to know. You donāt know the whole truth. Every fact in this case has been twisted just like the John was gone for 50 minutes fable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12581115332058161176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-15049754097337905152019-03-01T01:02:54.196-05:002019-03-01T01:02:54.196-05:00Very informative and detailed article is this. Lov...Very informative and detailed article is this. Love to read it<br />Cheap Window Installationhttp://www.universalwindowsphoenix.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-29068391687039958912017-09-20T22:01:51.054-04:002017-09-20T22:01:51.054-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Cost To Replace Windowshttp://www.universalwindowsphoenix.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-48941513221985795372016-12-22T20:42:17.664-05:002016-12-22T20:42:17.664-05:00Just found this blog. I have followed the evidenc...Just found this blog. I have followed the evidence in this case from the beginning. To me the open basement window, lack of broken glass and the placement of the suit case solve the case. I have seen many well thought out ideas on the open window and suit case. For example: The window was found open because the intruder didn't close it. The window was the means of escape. The suit case was going to be used to remove the body from the home. <br /><br />For me the open window is part of the staging. No one entered or exited. Burke used the suit case as a stool to stand on allowing him to reach the window latch. The window could now be opened setting the stage for the intruder theory. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-71746244510035239302016-12-02T12:10:16.647-05:002016-12-02T12:10:16.647-05:00I agree Doc...see my long post above.
Mike G.I agree Doc...see my long post above.<br /><br />Mike G.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-7527686468971928862016-12-02T12:04:08.152-05:002016-12-02T12:04:08.152-05:00I think John decided to go the "unstaging&quo...I think John decided to go the "unstaging" route rather than the "finish the staging route" for one very good reason. He wanted to keep the police and forensics experts out of that basement area for as long as possible. Many of us are taught at an early age "to prepare for the worst and hope for the best". Businessmen in particular adopt this point of view. John's mind was telling him the worst thing that could happen would be for the police and forensic experts to find JonBenet's body too soon. (This is another reason why I believe John was more cognizant of the contents in that suitcase than most people believe. But that's another story) In John's mind he was "preparing" for what was about to become a murder scene "hoping" that a "kidnappers" scene could buy him time. The question is, time for what?<br /><br />1) Time to allow "histrionics" to play out between investigators processing of the ransom note and the discovery of the body.<br /><br />2) Time to allow John to make some calls to attorneys, finance guys, bankers, friends, airports, etc.. in preparation for what would be at best a barage of interrogatory questions from the police, at worst his and Patsy's arrest.<br /><br />3) Time to get rid of evidence and/or finish staging JonBenet's body. <br /><br />4) Time to unstage or stage things upstairs that might direct suspicions towards a family member or intruder, respectively.<br /><br />5) Time to allow police and friends to contaminate the scene.<br /><br />6) Time to get a potentially problematic Burke out of the house.<br /><br />7) Time to think in general about other ways to make 2+2 look like something other than 4.<br /><br />John wrote the note posing as a kidnapper who was close to, if not part of, his family's inner circle. The idea of an intruder having got a hold of a key was not out of the question, but may not have dawned on John, until after he broke the window the night before, and after Patsy called 911, that that could always be the fallback method by which an "intruder" could have entered. That perhaps made it possible in John's mind to leave behind just enough evidence of an intruder to keep police distracted--but not so much as to lead them to conduct a full scale search of that basement the moment they arrived. Again, if an "intruder" HAS to be your defense, it's best to get the seeds already planted (by virtue of the ransom note) to take root and start growing as soon as possible.<br /><br />Thus, John leaves behind the suitcase, closes the window instead of leaving it open, and perhaps tampered with that Butler's door upstairs to provide a little extra focus away from the basement. A perfect balancing act by a businessman turned murderer. Did it work? <br /><br />1) John had his hour alone between 10:00 and 11:00 A.M.<br />2) John made several calls.<br />3) Patsy's wild and distraught behavior certainly worked to later cast suspicion more upon her than it did John, right?<br />4) Friends, police, and serendipitously John himself, contaminated the murder scene.<br />5) Lawyers had Patsy and John separated from each other and from police interrogations faster than you can say Jack Robinson.<br />6) A potentially problamatic Burke got out of the house early on.<br /><br />I believe I read where BOTH the police and Fleet White independently said that when they went to the basement as part of a general search, it was ONLY to search for possible ways the intruder may have entered the house. Yet try to imagine what the police would have done had that window been "blown out" by an "intruder". The whole area would have been cordened off and searched, JBR would have been discovered, and John, and maybe only John, would have been arrested. <br /><br />Mike G. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-67821079197141806422016-12-02T10:49:12.634-05:002016-12-02T10:49:12.634-05:00I think the suitcase was placed there to suggest t...I think the suitcase was placed there to suggest that an intruder might have used it to boost himself out the window. But there were no signs anywhere that anyone had actually passed through that window, suggesting that the suitcase placement was intended as staging.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-41498934002631136592016-12-02T09:45:16.358-05:002016-12-02T09:45:16.358-05:00What did the detective tell you on the follow-up c...What did the detective tell you on the follow-up call?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-3804681642862092502016-09-23T16:56:47.392-04:002016-09-23T16:56:47.392-04:00Like the above poster, I just found this blog, and...Like the above poster, I just found this blog, and it is fascinating! A question that I'm not sure has been addressed?<br />Is it possible that if there was an intruder that the suitcase was used as a step to get back out of the window? <br />If considering an intruder, that was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the photo of the suitcase placement. <br />I'd love any feedback! <br />Thanks, <br />Signed K<br />An novice sleuth fascinated by this case!<br />BTW: just a note... I was the one that called in the Denver PD, and spoke to a detective about my observation that several comments in the kidnapping note were lines from the movie "Speed" such as" John, Do not attempt to grow a brain!" <br />There were others I noticed as well. I later received a follow up call from a detective regarding my tip. Just my little contribution to this case. SheKatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02627096311668367221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-28863982010988966232016-08-17T12:35:18.636-04:002016-08-17T12:35:18.636-04:00Just getting into this blog after never really rea...Just getting into this blog after never really reading about the events or knowing anything about the case. You might bring this up elsewhere-- have you thought that perhaps John wrote in the RN to bring an adequate-sized attache because he was planning to use the hard Samsonite suitcase to secretly transport JB to the dumping ground, while still using the "adequately sized attache" as an excuse in case anyone witnessed him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-77355429620633871032016-02-27T15:17:26.775-05:002016-02-27T15:17:26.775-05:00I wouldn't want to climb through a broken wind...I wouldn't want to climb through a broken window during daylight with less clothing as padding to sharp bits of glass let alone at NIGHT when I might not see where the glass bits still might be in the frame or where I might land.?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-13904618808699761482016-02-27T15:09:13.257-05:002016-02-27T15:09:13.257-05:00I recently saw an interview on youtube from a whil...I recently saw an interview on youtube from a while ago. John Ramsey stated he was getting DRESSED when he heard Patsy scream. Now he was Running around in his underwear? Once before I recall he stated he was in the shower when he heard Patsy yelling. Odd !<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-35444924610582373362015-02-03T10:20:55.983-05:002015-02-03T10:20:55.983-05:00In fairness to Arndt, she'd been left alone at...In fairness to Arndt, she'd been left alone at the scene while the other police were holding a meeting elsewhere. She had the responsibility of keeping track of several people, including John, who disappeared for over an hour, getting rid of evidence in all likelihood. Seems to me the chief of police was the one at fault for leaving her there on her own. On the other hand, everyone assumed at that point that this was a kidnapping, and there was probably little sense of urgency regarding what was going on in the house at that time. All attention was focused elsewhere.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47846395731461970042015-02-02T23:50:37.438-05:002015-02-02T23:50:37.438-05:00There is only one person who found or was aware of...There is only one person who found or was aware of a point of entry and he wasn't telling anyone. John Ramsey! Yes Arndt was a moron, she had no idea what to do with the house full of people. She was probably the most inexperienced person ever. Moving the body, allowing a blanket and shirt to be put over the body, allowing people into the kitchen to make food and eat and clean. Just stupid, no wonder this case will never be solved!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-87676351676525391162015-02-02T23:43:00.616-05:002015-02-02T23:43:00.616-05:00I think we need to remember that nobody was lookin...I think we need to remember that nobody was looking for a body, they were looking for a point of entry. The house should have been secured and ALL people outside while police looked for clues. John Ramsey and Fleet White should NOT have been assisting police. Detective Arndt was an idiot for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-54231688670588792952015-02-02T23:35:51.659-05:002015-02-02T23:35:51.659-05:00I still do not understand why JR had to take off h...I still do not understand why JR had to take off his clothes outside in public to climb into his house through a broken window. Seems luke JR spends a lot of time prancing aroumd his home in his underwear. He took off his clothes to climb in a window. He forgot he was running around the house in his underwear after Patsy called 911. He comes off as a very strange man. My thought about his broken window story was that he made it up in case the police found his fingerprints or something on the window.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-78641271343735061232014-06-12T01:46:56.880-04:002014-06-12T01:46:56.880-04:00Hey any theories as to why Fleet White didn't ...Hey any theories as to why Fleet White didn't see anything or turn the light on in the wine cellar? I've always thought it was because he didn't have the expectation of finding anything, and that altered his mindset, but, thoughts? <br /><br />Also, gee whiz, do you ever think about how different this case would be if Detective French had opened the wine cellar door and turned on the light at around 6am when he first got there? That one decision changed so much. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18315717142150826646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-23141496202671936162014-02-21T01:20:03.534-05:002014-02-21T01:20:03.534-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-54929629367450360402013-12-07T22:05:58.737-05:002013-12-07T22:05:58.737-05:00That's a really excellent question. Why concoc...That's a really excellent question. Why concoct an elaborate lie when it might seem easier to just go downstairs and quickly complete the staging?<br /><br />But the fact remains that John DID concoct that lie. You see that yourself. This tells us that there must be some reason why he didn't either complete his staging or at least open a door for his "intruder" to pass through. Instead he reported to the police that he'd checked all the doors and they were locked.<br /><br />What this tells me is that John must have still been hoping his window staging was going to work for him, even after Patsy made her call. Maybe he naively thought he didn't really need to do more than he'd already done. So, when the police arrive, he informs them that the doors are locked in the expectation that they'll notice the broken window and assume the intruder must have entered and left that way. He might have decided that an unlocked door would be too obvious, while a broken window would look really convincing.<br /><br />My guess is that something the police did or said shortly after they arrived must have made him realize his staging wasn't going to fly. And by that time it would have been too late to do anything more. I'm wondering how long it took before the spider web on the grate was noticed. It's also known that one of the policemen was looking for footprints and didn't find any. So it could have been something one of the policemen said that would suddenly have convinced John that his staging was about to backfire.<br /><br />He'd have run down to the basement. But there would have been no point in trying to displace the grate as the policemen had already noticed that neither the grate nor the spider web was disturbed. So the best he could do at the point was quickly clean up the glass as best he could, close the window, and begin concocting his story about breaking in earlier.<br /><br />The sequence of events could have been different. It's possible John was in such a panic that he just stopped thinking straight and improvised. Who knows? But he certainly DID lie about that window. And there has to be a reason why.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-32980928445174353752013-12-07T18:44:48.287-05:002013-12-07T18:44:48.287-05:00The window story is a blatant lie, and I find it h...The window story is a blatant lie, and I find it hard to accept that some people buy the story. I believe most people already have a theory before they carefully consider the window story and therefore simply can't accept it as a lie w/o having to change their theory. <br /><br />Anyway, here's a question from a Devil's advocate POV. Patsy called 911. John knew the police would be arriving and discovering the partially staged window. Why didn't he just pull that chair up (the one we see in the Daily Beast video - the one LS neglected to show in his presentation) and push the grate up onto the grass and mess up the sill a bit to make it look like someone came through there?<br /><br />His objective was to deal with the partially staged window. One way was to unstage the partial staging. Another way would be simply to complete the staging. Would it be possible to push the grate up from inside? <br /><br />There's nothing he could do about the body, but at least he'd have a reasonably believable entry point for the intruder. <br /><br />He could also have unlocked a door or window, claiming it had been unlocked all night. He could do this in conjunction with the "unstaging". Yet he didn't. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-67838537679276524332013-12-04T17:40:16.922-05:002013-12-04T17:40:16.922-05:00Hi Tina. For my comments on this dialogue see the ...Hi Tina. For my comments on this dialogue see the following post(s).DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-10174010632818630692013-12-04T15:37:50.338-05:002013-12-04T15:37:50.338-05:00well at least TT knew enough that the window story...well at least TT knew enough that the window story was hokey. right before he let JR leave the April 1997 interview he takes him back through that story again<br /><br />TT: OK. And letās also hop back to the grate for just a second, cause I picked the grate up, itās really heavy, I mean fairly heavy. Picked it up, moved it out of the way, kind of hopped down, I mean first peaked into that window, hopped down into that window well, you ended up, have to kick the window, break the window somehow, reach in and unlatch it. How far of a drop is it, or is it difficult I should say, to drop from the window well.<br />JR: No.<br />TT: It seem like itās, for me I think itās probably . . .<br />JR: That high.<br />BM: Do you want an estimate of that?<br />TT: Certainly.<br />JR: itās probably, I donāt know, four feel maybe, five feet.<br />TT: OK. But on the outside youāve got that kind of skinny narrow window well. Did you have an difficulty sliding into that or sliding down the wall?<br />JR: Yeah, well, as I recall, I did it at night and I had a suit on, and I took my suit off and did it in my underwear. But, itās not easy, I mean you can get in that way, you get dirty, but.<br />TT: Itās not a graceful way to get in.<br />JR: No, no.<br />TT: Itās difficult because of the angles.<br />JR: Right.<br />TT: All right.<br />ST: Tom, let me just ask John this. Do you sit down and slide through, buttocks first if you will, through a window like that or, do you recall how you went through the actual window, John?<br />JR: I donāt I mean, I donāt remember. Seems like, I mean, I donāt remember, but I think I would probably gone in feet first.<br />ST: Feet first, backwards?<br />JR: Yeah.<br />ST: And when you went through in your underwear, were you wearing shoes or?<br />JR: I still had my shoes on, yeah.<br />ST: And were those with a suit, were they business shoes.<br />JR: They were probably, probably those shoes.<br />St: OK. And what are those shoes?<br />JR: Business shoes.<br />ST: And for the record, are those, brown lace-up, menās business<br />JR: Oxford, not these shoes, but they are shoes that I wear with a suit, just a pair of business shoes, dress shoes.<br />TT: John, when you went down in the basement the first time and found the broken window, it was unlock, you latched it, did you notice that the window, excuse me, if you notice if the room was overly cold or anything like that?<br />JR: No, it wasnāt. I didnāt notice that it was.<br />TT: OK. And you were fully dressed when you went through the house/<br />JR: Ah,<br />TT: Considering what time of morning it was.<br />JR: Yeah, Iām sure I was, yeah.<br />TT: OK. You remember any lights on in the basement when you went down the first time?<br />JR: Ah, no, not specifically, I donāt I mean, I donāt remember if any were on the first time.<br />TT: Do you remember turning on lights?<br />JR: Well, I would have had to to see my way around, Iām sure I did.Tinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-64043223089227585812013-11-30T21:24:23.861-05:002013-11-30T21:24:23.861-05:00Yes, it's a blatant lie from beginning to end....Yes, it's a blatant lie from beginning to end. Some elements of this story are hard to swallow but many are just impossible to swallow. To me this is the smoking gun, the one piece of solid evidence that John lied. Meaning the window was broken by him all right, but on the night of the crime. To stage a breakin. Once that's established then you can kiss any and all intruder theories goodbye.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-9464365182570589662013-11-30T15:21:24.637-05:002013-11-30T15:21:24.637-05:00I cannot for one second believe that a rich, power...I cannot for one second believe that a rich, powerful, CEO like John Ramsey could not remember if he took a cab home that night or had his car. I suspect he wavered on this part of his story because if he WAS driving his own car, certainly he would have had a remote in it to open the garage door. And from one of his statements (I can't recall which one), he said they never locked the door from the garage to the house. So of course he would have to say he might have taken a cab home. He probably came up with that possibility after realizing he couldn't admit to having his car. <br /><br />Also unbelievable, for a business man of his caliber who was, no doubt, wearing an expensive suit, is that he would not have either called his neighbors who had a key to his house or called a locksmith (many locksmiths work 24/7). I just don't see him taking off his suit to make sure it was not ruined while crawling through that window. Frankly, I don't see him breaking ANY window, even if he was in old, holey old jeans. Rich people typically don't do that kind of thing. <br /><br />ALSO unbelievable is that he would have picked that obscure, small window -- a window that he could only access if he removed that grate. If, in fact, he really did lock himself out and really did feel the need to break a window, he would have picked another window. That house had several, ground level windows. And he certainly wouldn't have been concerned about the cost of breaking another window. The man owned a plane for heavens sake!<br /><br />You're absolutely right, Doc. The window is key to cracking this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com