tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post2633147810143828118..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: Grand Jury Voted to IndictDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-39848813424581953502019-01-02T12:11:42.994-05:002019-01-02T12:11:42.994-05:00Is the case still unsolved and if it is are the po...Is the case still unsolved and if it is are the police still working on it? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-72822409110164880282016-09-08T22:34:36.145-04:002016-09-08T22:34:36.145-04:00If Patsy wrote the note she would not have called ...If Patsy wrote the note she would not have called 911 at that time. It's really as simple as that. You don't stage a phony kidnapping and then call the cops on yourself with the body of your victim still in the house. You don't present them with a note that could be used as evidence against you. And you don't include all sorts of horrible threats about calling the police and then call them anyhow, ignoring the threats you yourself just wrote.<br /><br />Yes Patsy didn't turn the house upside down looking for her daughter. Neither did anyone else, including the police. Everyone took the note literally, assuming she'd been kidnapped. I don't see anything suspicious in that at all.<br /><br />And why would ignoring the threats make her suspicious? What would be suspicious would be if she used those threats as an excuse NOT to call.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-31266966558024303692016-09-08T15:58:56.553-04:002016-09-08T15:58:56.553-04:00You really believe Patsy didn't write that not... You really believe Patsy didn't write that note? I'm no handwriting expert, but to me they look pretty spot on. I cant let Patsy off the hook that easy. Let's go through it. You wake up at 5:00 a.m., you find a ransome note. All I can do is put myself in her shoes, and say " what would I do, if this had happened to me". The first thing I'm gonna do is search for J.B. and she does this. Let's assume from 5-5:45 Patsy is searching the house for J.B. Can you honestly believe she never found her? C'mon. If my six year old daughter were missing, I would've torn that house apart looking for her. Yet she searches the house yet neglects to look in the wine room. I'm not buying it. I wouldn't have called 911 till I was absolutely sure J.B. wasn't in the house. In an interview in 2001 Patsy claims to have never read the rest of the note before calling 911. Very sketchy. If I've just searched the house and can't find J.B., this immediately gives validity to the ransome note, and insures that I would not only read it, but that I would follow its instructions to a T. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15641552358370276220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-44530864049316393582013-12-15T08:04:43.173-05:002013-12-15T08:04:43.173-05:00I emailed Dr. Wecht several years ago to make him ...I emailed Dr. Wecht several years ago to make him aware of my suspicions of John and hopefully convince him to help me further investigate this aspect of the case. He then phoned me and we had a very interesting and pleasant conversation. More recently I contacted him again and again we spoke over the phone (I have a feeling he's not an email type of person -- maybe too old?). He's very accessible and also very helpful. But I could never get him to agree that Patsy didn't write the note. He has complete faith in the "experts" who ruled John out.<br /><br />As far as a book is concerned, I am in fact putting something together, and as you say most of the work has been done on the blog. I'm thinking of publishing at first via Kindle, at a very low price, in the hope that as many people as possible will be curious enough to buy it. If I do decide to go ahead with this, the book should be available within a few months. Thanks for your encouragement.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-90089666519849037742013-12-15T07:04:45.981-05:002013-12-15T07:04:45.981-05:00How was it that you came to be in contact with Dr....How was it that you came to be in contact with Dr. Wecht? Did you just contact him and he replied? I wish Kolar had replied to your queries! I'd love to know what he'd make of your theory.<br /><br />And for the record, I'd also enjoy seeing this blog in book format. I know the JBR field is pretty saturated, but I also know that people will always be interested in this case, and there isn't currently a JDI book out there. At least I don't think there is.<br /><br />I don't know how commercially successful Kolar's book has been, but perhaps you might just consider an e-book to begin with. Most of the work is already done, after all! You just need to compile it. :-) Pipernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-77258819103994607202013-12-15T06:43:54.837-05:002013-12-15T06:43:54.837-05:00Hi Anonymous,
Thanks for "identifying" y...Hi Anonymous,<br />Thanks for "identifying" yourself. I didn't think you were DocG, as the writing styles were different, and with all the traffic on his blog, I really don't think DocG needs to masquerade as other posters.<br /><br />Thanks also for pointing out that you spelled degrees correctly. If you hadn't, I was going to. :) Not fair of Louisa to call you out for mentioning your education and then being outright wrong in the same statement. <br /><br />To DocG, I don't understand the people who say the 911 call was part of the staging because the call was needed to provide the reason JB was killed. That is, they say the "kidnappers" killed JB because her parents disobeyed the RN's instructions by calling 911. How could this possibly make sense? This would mean they expect us to believe the killers were still in the basement when the call was made -- as this is where the body was ultimately found -- and also that she died AFTER the call was made, around 5:45am. The autopsy showed she had already been dead at least 4-5 hours by the time the call was placed.<br /><br />I know you can't explain how others think, but I've seen a few people mention this theory, on this site and others, and I just can't get over how nonsensical it is.Pipernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-57117834772682587052013-10-27T15:15:16.205-04:002013-10-27T15:15:16.205-04:00You make an interesting point. The note does seem ...You make an interesting point. The note does seem to be "about" John rather than the actual victim, who isn't even mentioned by name, incidentally. <br /><br />And yes you are crazy! :-) But not crazy enough, because the truth is even crazier: shortly after discovering the body, John phoned his pilot, asking him to arrange a flight to Atlanta, where he claimed he had an important business meeting. So his business was definitely on his mind. Since the plan had been to fly to Michigan it's interesting that he suddenly recalled that he had to do business in Atlanta. Strange.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-77600785670079966182013-10-27T12:22:14.282-04:002013-10-27T12:22:14.282-04:00I don't think Patsy wrote the note -- you'...I don't think Patsy wrote the note -- you've convinced me! I think people making conjecture about how women write this way and men write this way are small-minded and have bought into a lot of pop psychology which is, to me, a little sexist. John Ramsey had just killed his daughter -- he was probably a little emotional and on the verge of freaking out!<br /><br />Also -- at the risk of sounding hypocritical for presenting some psychology-based conjecture -- I don't think that Patsy would have written a note where the motivation of the "kidnapping" was John's supposed business savvy. She would have, imo, written a note where the motivation for the "kidnapping" was her beautiful daughter, the beauty queen, the apple of her eye. They lived in two separate worlds, John's his business and Patsy's was the pageant world, and it is not out of the scope of possibility to suggest that JonBenet would have been kidnapped because of her pageant stuff, because a lot of the intruder theories are based on that very premise! A kidnapper would have had two potential motivations to take JonBenet, John's wealth and JonBenet's pageant work. The note was about John's wealth, imo, that makes him the more likely of the two to have written it.<br /><br />Also, am I crazy or did I read that John had wanted the family to continue with their plans to go to Michigan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-73712577902983714632013-04-21T21:24:12.985-04:002013-04-21T21:24:12.985-04:00JonBenet was assaulted the night of the murder. Th...JonBenet was assaulted the night of the murder. Those injuries were "acute," obviously. But the medical examiner found other abrasions inside her vagina that appeared to be older, suggesting "chronic" sexual abuse. This at least is how the world renowned coroner Cyril Wecht interpreted the medical examiner's report in his book, "Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?" Having discussed this case with Dr. Wecht, I can attest that in his view she had been sexually molested prior to the night of the murder by her father, who was also responsible for her murder. I've never been able to convince Wecht that Patsy wasn't also involved in the coverup, but as far as John's involvement is concerned, we agree.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-76736822062173147312013-04-21T18:32:08.544-04:002013-04-21T18:32:08.544-04:00The handwriting always did resemble JR's. Mili...The handwriting always did resemble JR's. Military references are male oriented. And anyone who uses "hence" a lot, is wordy, male or female. Another thing, why was the word "chronic" (old) used for the description of her injuries?<br /><br />Not saying he did it, but your theory seems to be the most viable I've seen. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-29831943883421062622013-03-16T12:50:53.375-04:002013-03-16T12:50:53.375-04:00Thanks KH. Again: well said.Thanks KH. Again: well said.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-10651501293134216492013-03-16T12:47:09.855-04:002013-03-16T12:47:09.855-04:00Exactly. You make some excellent points.Exactly. You make some excellent points.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-89567208810592353002013-03-16T03:18:42.056-04:002013-03-16T03:18:42.056-04:00If not a book, what about... IDK, maybe a brief? I...If not a book, what about... IDK, maybe a brief? Is that the word I'm looking for? Fifty pages to lay out your case succinctly? If you have friends who are attorneys they could maybe help you, or you could look at some online...<br /><br />I just think it would be interesting to have something, in print, that said it all. Bam. Right there. So just in case you run into the DA in a bar and she says, "So, random private citizen, what's your theory?" you can say, "Funny you should ask..." :-)<br /><br />I pride myself on my imagination and critical thinking skills, so the only think I don't like about your theory is the fact that I didn't come up with it first. <br /><br />Seriously: kudos.<br /><br />KHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-6947768655435571222013-03-16T03:05:18.398-04:002013-03-16T03:05:18.398-04:00I agree that way too much was made of Patsy's ...I agree that way too much was made of Patsy's personality by a lot of elitist armchair psychologists who think being a wealthy housewife from the South is a character flaw at best, pathological at worst. <br /><br />I don't like pageants and I wouldn't let my child be in one. I see them as over-sexualizing children and putting them at risk. <br /><br />But I live in the South, and I know people who have their children in pageants. They're normal, loving parents who like the competition and the drama. It's similar to cheerleading down here: it's all about prettiness, popularity, and, well, pageantry. <br /><br />So while it's not something I would engage in, and it can definitely be taken too far (see Toddlers & Tiaras) having your kids in pageants does not make you a bad mother automatically, nor does it make you jealous, insane, or any of the other things Patsy's been accused of being.<br /><br />Ditto her wealth, her lack of a "job" outside the home, her history of pageants, her struggle with cancer, etc. Patsy may have been a lot of things, but all the speculation that any of them are clues to her secret weird Southern repressed murderous sexual tendencies is just that: speculation. And not very intelligent or informed speculation, at that.<br /><br />Why has the same scrutiny not been turned toward's John's personality traits and idiosyncracies? Millionaire introvert who had a two-year affair while married to his first wife, divorced, married a beauty queen more than ten years his junior... No red flags there?<br /><br />His recent book, I'm told, is all about his relationship with God, and he talks about it a lot in DOI. I can't speak to the contents of anyone's soul, and I sincerely pray JR, like all of us, finds forgiveness, but I have a father in LE who worked in prisons for years as well, and I know that talking about how you saw the light and came to Jesus does a number on the naive. People love to hear that sh*t, true or not.<br /><br />If we really cared about JR's soul we'd encourage him to confess this sin rather than go to his Maker an unconfessed murderer.<br /><br />I wonder if Patsy ever wondered, deep down, about John. I don't think she was a terribly sophisticated woman. Not unintelligent - she did graduate magna cum laude - but maybe not terribly complicated. She would have called herself a simple southern gal. I think she wanted to believe, and maybe did for a long time, but part of her had to wonder. <br /><br />I know firsthand what effect the mind can have on the body. I have no doubt the grief and stress of what happened to her daughter contributed to Patsy's relapse and death. May she rest in peace.<br /><br />KHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-81821920460025456772013-03-16T02:43:23.058-04:002013-03-16T02:43:23.058-04:00Even when I was an IDI believer, there were things...Even when I was an IDI believer, there were things about JR's actions that stuck out to me and didn't sit right. Like many IDIers, I explained them away as the irrational yet understandable behavior of a panicked, frightened father. One of the major ones was that, once told by Arndt to search the house, he IMMEDIATELY went to the basement and directly to the "wine cellar." In Arndt's words she said she told them to search the house "top to bottom." He went "bottom to top," immediately to a room he had already been to.<br /><br />And I always thought, for an intelligent man, a CEO of a billion dollar company, he should have and must have known better than to carry her upstairs. Go to her, take off the tape, etc, I guess that makes sense for a shocked father who just discovered his daughter's body... But considering she was obviously very dead - witnesses including Arndt said she was ice cold (dead in the basement for ~12 hours, in Colorado, in Dec., I'd say yeah - ice cold) and there was already decomp odor - I think even a shocked father who was an intelligent man would realize his daughter was dead and call for an ambulance, maybe sob, maybe even begin to think about the fact that this was now a crime scene and any contamination could keep the killer from being caught. <br /><br />To me the last thing an innocent father woud do when encountering this situation is grab her and carry her upstairs. With her arms locked above her head due to rigor. It's just... it's so weird.<br /><br />The Ramseys' cheerleaders say he was in shock and this odd behavior proves it. If he had really staged the crime scene or been involved in the staging, he would have taken care to preserve it.<br /><br />Except, if you consider that he was acting alone and intended to remove the body, and her body being found was not part of his staging, you realize why he did what he did. He WAS smart. He WAS in control. He did exactly what needed to be done to "erase" the crime scene as it was. He immediately covered her, grabbed her, moved her. No one got to see exactly how she was lying there but him. No one got to see exactly how her hair and body were arranged but him. All that crucial evidence - eradicated in one act, the act of a "shocked" father. Not even Fleet was able to see her clearly. <br /><br />He also made sure that any fiber evidence would be accounted for by picking her up and carrying her, touching the tape, touching the cord around her wrist... <br /><br />Patsy was by all accounts a total wreck. She had a mixing bowl in between her knees because she was sick to her stomach. Her husband was not there with her comforting her. They spent all morning in different parts of the house. If our child was missing my husband would be glued to my side. I think most women can say that.<br /><br />KHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-6857048886176329892013-02-09T23:25:21.952-05:002013-02-09T23:25:21.952-05:00Rock on! Sounds to me like maybe an author who ha...Rock on! Sounds to me like maybe an author who has a scenario of facts which can be substantiated might have a better chance to get some resolve to this case than the Boulder law enforcement agencies have demonstrated. MWMM<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-73874509237928238892013-02-08T13:44:36.372-05:002013-02-08T13:44:36.372-05:00If team Ramsey tried to sue me, I'd be delight...If team Ramsey tried to sue me, I'd be delighted. Burden of proof would be on them, they'd have to prove I've been telling malicious lies, which they can't because everything presented in this blog can be verified, and I certainly have the right to offer an opinion regarding a public figure. And I would have the opportunity to make my case in public, which I can't imagine they would want. If John is innocent and he would like me acknowledge that I've been wrong, all he has to do is explain himself, by answering certain questions to my satisfaction.<br /><br />Thus, if I ever write a book it won't be disguised as fiction and there will be no disclaimers. Thanks for your support, MWMM, I'm pleased to see you've come 'round to my point of view.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-43966991548165642082013-02-08T12:16:35.296-05:002013-02-08T12:16:35.296-05:00As one of your Anonymouserati, I'll sign off t...As one of your Anonymouserati, I'll sign off this time. If this case dies down again this time after the recent news of the GJ vote that Hunter dropped, it will never go anywhere. I think you should write a book too! But I would suspect that the RST would be all over you with threats to strip you of everything but your life (?) if you come out and name names. But then, some others have done that, haven't they?<br /><br />However, I wonder if a good crime/mystery novel, with a careful disclaimer included, might not fly? Count me in for some volunteer proofreading if it means I'd get a sneak peak. On the serious side, before I could ever reconsider John NOT writing the ransom note, I would have to see the resulting reports of the examinations done in the fair and unbiased manner which you previously outlined in other blogs. <br /><br />Thank you for remaining steadfast in your belief that JR killed his daughter while some of the rest of us took the roller coaster ride that has done little more than make most of us ill and disoriented afterwards. Now that I'm off the roller coaster, my head is done spinning. Its JDI - Felony Murder, minimum charge. MWMMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-37282730491500914662013-02-07T10:14:54.752-05:002013-02-07T10:14:54.752-05:00Thanks. I keep thinking about writing a book. It w...Thanks. I keep thinking about writing a book. It wouldn't be hard, since I could draw on things I've already written, on the forums and on this blog. The problem is that there are already so many books out on this case, and also that interest in it has waned considerably with only the occasional flareup from time to time, which then quickly dies down. I would love to see John prosecuted, though. And when that day comes, there might be a market for a book explaining how he did it and how he got away with it for so long.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-84972290661066658462013-02-07T00:45:04.399-05:002013-02-07T00:45:04.399-05:00DocG, I wanna read your book, can you write one? I...DocG, I wanna read your book, can you write one? I have followed this case from the beginning, read all the books, read all the forums...and your work is methodical, intelligent and your theories are backed up with clear , concise reasoning backed up by facts and evidence and , the most important thing missing from this whole case, COMMON SENSE!! Thankyou , for giving me , what I consider, THE most definitive account of this saga. My theory has always been, since day one, pretty much the same as yours...thank you for filling in a lot of gaps for me. As you said in your "Tips for the Prosecution" , If only they would just Prosecute!! I just want to see John Ramsey have his day in court...would be the trial of the century!!'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-46149779365660741492013-02-06T22:11:43.339-05:002013-02-06T22:11:43.339-05:00Yes, exactly. Thanks, you've made the point be...Yes, exactly. Thanks, you've made the point better than I did.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-28105944344506150762013-02-06T22:08:52.655-05:002013-02-06T22:08:52.655-05:00Thanks for your support, Anonymous. It's nice ...Thanks for your support, Anonymous. It's nice to find someone who understands about scientific method and the difference between that and the sort of subjective methods used to "prove" Patsy wrote the note. By the way, I see so many "Anonymouserati" here that it's hard for me to keep track of yall. It would really help if people signed their posts, if only with a nickname.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-23244155115131498262013-02-06T21:56:39.650-05:002013-02-06T21:56:39.650-05:00"I said that (in my view) Patsy at first stag..."I said that (in my view) Patsy at first staged it to look like a kidnapping, perhaps with the intention of disposing of the body later. Hence she hid JonBenet in a far corner of the basement. Then she wrote the ransom note. Then she realised the police would of course find the body before she had a chance to hide it, so.......decided to make it all look like a horrendous sex crime committed by some (male) sex fiend. ..."<br /><br />She would not have had to "realize" that the police would find the body before she could dump it if she had not called police in the first place. <br /><br />The crime was not changed from a kidnapping to a sex murder - the note remains a Ransom Note. A sex murder would not have had a note at all, most likely. If there was a note, it would be a sex murder note, not a RN. Also a sex murderer would not have any reason to redress JB, nor hide her body in the wine cellar. <br /><br />It simply makes no sense at all for PR to have called the police if she was the killer and author of the note. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47255432426430000272013-02-06T21:08:44.075-05:002013-02-06T21:08:44.075-05:00DocG, its Anonymous here. I haven't set up a b...DocG, its Anonymous here. I haven't set up a blogger profile, but wanted to assure Louisa that I'm not you. I'm a female, and I am guessing that you are male but have no "evidence" (smile). The point of bringing up my degrees (its not capital D in this context), is that I've been schooled in the principles of logic and the scientific method. I guess if my only goal was to boast, I could go on about my career and qualifications, but I have no reason to boast here, I just wanted to say that DocG's logic is sound, to me. I used to think Patsy did it, but it was just an opinion then. I could never make any theory tie out, and it bugged me that I could not find consistent facts to support any version of a PDI theory. Again, if Louisa has a fully vetted analysis, she ought to be willing to post it here. Hmm, I wonder if Louisa is really John Ramsey. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-32458947816685097942013-02-06T20:08:53.187-05:002013-02-06T20:08:53.187-05:00I seriously think John Ramsey killed his daughter,...I seriously think John Ramsey killed his daughter, and I can assure you I do not need to be locked up in a padded cell. Of course, that is my opinion, but I could probably round up a few witnesses to support it, if necessary.<br /><br />Just an observation regarding handwriting analysis.....our family was recently subjected to learning a relative had hand-written his will and signed it without the signature being witnessed or validated. This is an accepted legal practice in our state. <br /><br />Sad to say, though, there were some in our family who could not believe that an entire estate worth hundreds of thousands of dollars was left to only one family member. There was talk of having the signature validated by graphologists, aka handwriting experts. To arrive at a validation, they required 20, count them, 20 different documents which contained proven writing of the deceased. A few notarized signatures would not have been sufficient. <br /><br />So, how did the ransom note examiners arrive at their conclusions with what seems to be so few exemplars, especially in the case of John?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com