tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post2390454487337303377..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: The Scene at the WindowDocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-39386967438388533822018-06-29T17:20:05.568-04:002018-06-29T17:20:05.568-04:00Was there blood on the 🔦? Or anything that showed...Was there blood on the 🔦? Or anything that showed evidence that she was hit with something that resulted with her having her skull cracked?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833817259617810315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-73173299867130349912016-09-17T08:40:28.178-04:002016-09-17T08:40:28.178-04:00This head wound did not bleed. The scalp was not l...This head wound did not bleed. The scalp was not lacerated. There were no signs of a head injury until they were revealed at the autopsy. Which is why the Maglite, with its hard rubber tip seems likely to be the weapon she was clubbed with. This could have been a deliberate choice on the part of her attacker, to make sure no blood would be spilled.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-18969254203795465462016-09-17T05:26:57.030-04:002016-09-17T05:26:57.030-04:00Burk says he got back up that night and went downs...Burk says he got back up that night and went downstairs to play w a new toy. Did Jon Benet? How did John know Burk was up? Did he hear him 2 levels below? Did Burk make the pineapple and tea? In the bowl of pineapple, were all the pieces uniform or vary in size and shape? Why is the bowl and glass sitting on a glass table,not on the placemat or in front of a seat? Looks like someone sat it down on table, not ate it at the table. Any fingerprints on the glass tabletop? I don't see any smudges. <br />Reports say Patsy was awoken by the shower. Not an alarm. They were leaving that morning on a trip but the bags weren't packed and ready yet. Nobody showered the night before a big trip? Patsy states she put the clothes on from the night before that she had on side of tub. Then goes down steps to find ransom note and screams. Johns bathrobe was found on floor outside study. When did he get out of shower..before or after her scream..when did he get dressed? Where are his dirty clothes? So many questions Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-69837779172750526362016-09-17T05:15:26.990-04:002016-09-17T05:15:26.990-04:00Where is all the blood at? Head wounds bleed...a l...Where is all the blood at? Head wounds bleed...a lot. For her type of skull fracture, there would be blood. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-66388962864159688952016-08-19T12:51:50.058-04:002016-08-19T12:51:50.058-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-27741754936499918332016-08-19T12:32:30.254-04:002016-08-19T12:32:30.254-04:00Well Doc, you have put together so much about this...Well Doc, you have put together so much about this case that I would defer to you. However, it is you who show the meaning behind so much of that note, and it is usually the PDI theories which are left with only "idk, maybe she thought it was the sort of thing a kidnapper would say." The attache part sticks out like a sore thumb, and surely Patsy adding feminine flourishes to her death warrant are not the reason.<br /> <br />If the whole point of the note was for John to stage a kidnapping and get rid of the body on the pretense of delivering a ransom as you surmise (and with such have gained many converts including myself), then it makes too much sense for the "adequate size attache" needing to be of adequate size for a body, and not the ransom. And of all things, he used a suitcase during the staging? That's quite suspicious in my opinion.<br /><br />I'm not in John's income bracket to speak about the differences between an attache and a suitcase, but surely a suitcase is like an "adequate size attache". Perhaps he used the fancy French to allow himself some liberty in interpretation so that he could bring a suitcase. <br /><br />Then again, as you say, I saw the suitcase and thought John would have needed all day just to get her in the damn thing. Then I remember the part about beheading in the note. There's an easy way to interpret that as more than just trying to spook Patsy. Aside from possibly fitting in the suitcase, that vicious garrote attack made it look like you probably could've beheaded her with an axe or similar. Further, I assume in your scenario John is dumping the body in the woods and not on a park bench. That is, he does not want only to get rid of the body, but to hide it from authorities. Well, one does not hide a body only to hide the mere fact of death or the time of death, but to hide the cause of death. In this case, her head fracture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-31837942517304766102016-08-19T00:03:09.137-04:002016-08-19T00:03:09.137-04:00Disturbing image! I really don't think you cou...Disturbing image! I really don't think you could squeeze a six year old's body into the hard shell of that Samsonite suitcase, but who knows? Contortionists have been able to fit into the smallest spaces.<br /><br />Regardless, a an attache case is a completely different thing from a samsonite suitcase, so I don't see the connection. Not sure why the "attache" is mentioned, but maybe that's the sort of thing the writer thought a real kidnapper might say.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-38906621456610175572016-08-18T21:51:23.064-04:002016-08-18T21:51:23.064-04:00Could you fit a six year old in it if she was with...Could you fit a six year old in it if she was without her head? One must admit the adequate size attache in the well-crafted note makes little sense otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-32730486173558098072016-05-02T14:04:38.158-04:002016-05-02T14:04:38.158-04:00I invite you to take a look at the following blog ...I invite you to take a look at the following blog post, where I discuss some of my thoughts regarding Burke: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/08/burke.htmlDocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-31571932067369453322016-05-02T12:50:38.219-04:002016-05-02T12:50:38.219-04:00I myself think point blank that the youngest son B...I myself think point blank that the youngest son Burk was involved and maybe dad stumbled on the incident and attempted to coverup and protect his son I didn't notice why the little girl was checked on and missing I as a mom would have went to my other child and woke him up asking if he knows where his sister might be but he wasn't awoke until the police arrived this doesn't feel right either and in the days to come the mother and father protect Burk from media and knowledge of the claims about him I think he was kept secret until he was old enough to know what would happen if anyone would find out it was him so it was not spoken about and even went as far as avoiding him from seeing tabloids pointing at him this was all a pattern but I'm not a professional I am a mother and being so this sound like a coverup and future protection for another childs doing why would he do this because she was getting most of the attention and was spotlighted so bright where was Burk he would be in the shadow because her success was so dominant in the world not just the family. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-9590795663204730902015-08-11T18:33:42.240-04:002015-08-11T18:33:42.240-04:00ZJ, I think the IDI scenario that you described ab...ZJ, I think the IDI scenario that you described above seems very possible and has been something very similar to my conclusion for several years. A couple things that the IDI scenario does not explain is the previous sexual abuse allegations and the pineapple snack. Although DocG does make a very good case for the JDI theory, but I find it so much harder to believe. The JDI theory can explain both issues.Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05473618819808771095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-14073921109885328882015-08-05T20:40:11.583-04:002015-08-05T20:40:11.583-04:00CONTINUED FROM ABOVE
What is the motive behind th...CONTINUED FROM ABOVE<br /><br />What is the motive behind this? It's mainly sex driven as this perpetrator has a thing for JB (perhaps it was the Santa Clause at the family party who said he would pay her a “secret” visit on Xmas...I can't remember his name). Whilst mainly sex driven, this person also had a vendetta against John. Most like because John was successful and had money. Maybe the $118,000 bonus John received (which I think may have been published in the paper, or would have been known to friends) enraged this person who probably didn’t earn anywhere near John’s bonus in a year, let alone John’s entire salary. So this person not only gets his rocks off with JB, but also decides to stage a kidnapping and extort money from John.<br /><br />However, this person doesn't want to risk leaving with JB's body...which to me makes sense, so he hides her body in the best place he can think of. Given he is already in the basement he places her body in the corner of the "windowless" room (which would have been pre-planned). He then closes the latch on this door and also blocks it with a chair hoping it won't be discovered in the next 24 hours so he can receive his money from John. He also doesn't anticipate them ringing 911 due to the "she will die" comments in the RN. <br /><br />Whilst down in the basement, he probably notices the broken window that John actually DID break "last summer". Maybe the intruder pushes the suitcase against the window for two possible reasons:<br /><br />1) Since he was already down there, maybe he could sneak out the window and not risk having to go back upstairs, or more likely<br /><br />2) Maybe the intruder staged his own STAGED kidnapping because he knew John and Patsy would search the house and wonder how he got in (if in fact he had a key or stole a key). He didn't want them suspecting someone used a key so he placed the suitcase against the wall so it seemed like he got in and out this way. Remember, the body couldn't be seen in this room as the body is in the windowless room.<br /><br />Then the intruder simply walks upstairs and leaves from the door he entered, locking it again before leaving.<br /><br />I just want to state I DO NOT believe it was an intruder and DO think it was John. However, I've read the above a few times and it does sound plausible. I'm sure DocG will shoot down a few things in the above haha, but even though I think John is guilty, I just don't know how we can rule out the above...with the intruder being someone who knew the family, lusted over JB and had some anger towards John.<br /><br />Thoughts???<br /><br />ZJ<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-84380598884774562802015-08-05T20:39:45.795-04:002015-08-05T20:39:45.795-04:00Ok, obviously the window scene is extremely import...Ok, obviously the window scene is extremely important to pointing the finger at John. I do agree with DocG but for my own purpose and for me to completely rule out IDI, I just wanted to post this and get your thoughts.<br /><br />Firstly, if it was IDI, it HAD to be a friend or someone who had been in the house before. They knew the Ramseys weren't home, they knew where the basement was, they felt comfortable walking through the house to find paper, torch, nylon etc. They knew where JB's bedroom was etc.<br /><br />Let's say, for arguments sake, it was a friend or someone they knew who either had a key to get in, or, had stolen a key from them or a friend. <br />Whilst the Ramsey's were out, this person had ample time to write the RN and fashion a garrotte.<br /><br />When the Ramsey's came home and went to bed, he simply went into JB's room to pick her up and she kept sleeping (I have a six year old daughter and when she's asleep I can pick her up and waltz around the room and she doesn't wake up). Or maybe JB did wake and it was a familiar face.<br /><br />Either way, this intruder took JB downstairs to the basement with the torch (which he had found earlier). He took her to the basement because he knew he wouldn't be heard down there. He then sexually abuses her and at some stage hit her over the head (either before or during the abuse). When he's done he uses the pre-made garrotte to ensure she is dead and he doesn't leave handprints around her neck. This would also explain why there was a urine stain on the floor if this was where she was abused.<br /><br />CONTINUED BELOW<br /><br />ZJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-89702797706168762352015-08-05T03:48:41.381-04:002015-08-05T03:48:41.381-04:00Another thing I find fascinating is that John was ...Another thing I find fascinating is that John was eager to bolster Smit's theory that the suitcase didn't belong there and someone had moved it there to get out. Obviously John bolsted this story because it made the IDI theory believable.<br /><br />However, I've seen many interviews of John and he's asked how he believes the intruders got in and out. He replies "I don't know" most times. If that suitcase was definitely never there and someone had moved it there...then OF COURSE that was how they got out. If I was a parent I'd be saying they got out via the suitcase through the basement window. But John always changes his mind...<br /><br />It's so obvious that he planted the suitcase there. Which in itself, is enough to prove he is guilty.<br /><br />ZJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-91815017244336573482015-01-02T16:07:10.429-05:002015-01-02T16:07:10.429-05:00John wouldn't have been worried about fingerpr...John wouldn't have been worried about fingerprints. It was his house, his basement, his window, so why wouldn't his prints be there? No, John lied because otherwise it would have been obvious that the window had been broken from the inside, on the night of the crime. As part of a staged break-in.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-23391363431092856192015-01-02T01:26:49.917-05:002015-01-02T01:26:49.917-05:00The "cord"used on jb looks like lace to ...The "cord"used on jb looks like lace to me, the kind used for trimming dresses. Also the fact that at least 10 people had keys to his house, including the neighbor, proves that its even more unlikely jr would need or want to break into his own house. He probably said this in case his fingerprints were found anywhere. jb was almost certainly being molested regularly, with her chronic vaginitis and so many trips to the dr. I believe Patsy knew about this or suspected it and turned a blind eye. If she sent john to jail, there goes the money and jbs miss america title. Don't know why she didn't divorce himAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-52737164671749771902014-09-13T23:16:44.135-04:002014-09-13T23:16:44.135-04:00You're very observant. The string in the windo...You're very observant. The string in the window well does look a lot like the cord used to bind JonBenet, doesn't it? Yet, as you say, that possibility never seems to have been raised. I feel sure they must have checked it. Interesting.<br /><br />Are those golf clubs? I don't play so I can't be sure, but they didn't look like golf clubs to me. But you may be right. If so, I'm sure they must have been examined pretty closely -- but who knows?DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-61740435801807811112014-09-13T16:18:43.037-04:002014-09-13T16:18:43.037-04:00I have two questions:
1. What is that white strin...I have two questions:<br /><br />1. What is that white string/cord/rope outside the window near the screen, and why is it never mentioned anywhere (as far as I have read into this anyway)?<br /><br />2. In the video, the last door they open before the window scene, there are several golf clubs strewn inside this room, and no mention of these anywhere (that I have read about)?bigskymtmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16378754750723782671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-49841403552608293672013-10-27T20:55:39.646-04:002013-10-27T20:55:39.646-04:00The reasons for PR supporting John's version o...The reasons for PR supporting John's version of what happened are discussed in the final section of this post: http://solvingjonbenet.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-basement-window-part-4.html<br /><br />We know they both lied, in any case, as the housekeeper who was supposed to have assisted Patsy denied any knowledge of any broken window. Also, John's story is obviously a fabrication, which should be clear to anyone reading his testimony with any degree of healthy skepticism.<br /><br />They also lied about not being able to recall whether that window had ever been repaired. That's simply not credible. How could they not recall whether a basement window remained broken throughout a cold and windy winter, and in any case how could they have failed to look into that or have their "investigation team" look into it?<br /><br />"Wouldn't JR want the police to think the window hadn't ever been fixed, thus explaining why it was broken the night of the murder? Help me understand this."<br /><br />Excellent question. He had no way of knowing what the investigators had found and how they interpreted what they'd found. So he had to be careful. If he insisted the window had never been repaired, and they'd concluded it was a fresh break, then they'd have known right away that he'd been lying. And if he told them that the window HAD been repaired, then his story about breaking in earlier would have been pointless -- and it would have been obvious that he broke the window himself the night of the murder. By claiming not to recall, he was covering all bases. My guess is that the investigators who examined the glass must have been unable to determine whether the break was fresh or not, so he got benefit of the doubt, luckily for him.<br />DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-23347296578392185202013-10-27T18:43:33.151-04:002013-10-27T18:43:33.151-04:00The window was found broken. If we believe JR'...The window was found broken. If we believe JR's story that he broke the window the previous summer, why then would PR go along with his story of breaking it and be so adamant about cleaning it up and having the maid help? Wouldn't JR want the police to think the window hadn't ever been fixed, thus explaining why it was broken the night of the murder? Help me understand this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-72942894848315288812012-11-30T13:45:27.909-05:002012-11-30T13:45:27.909-05:00I'm glad to see you agree about John staging t...I'm glad to see you agree about John staging the window scene. As far as the suitcase is concerned, White reported that he'd found the suitcase flush against the wall and then moved it. So what we see in the photo is not what he saw when he entered that space.<br /><br />Everything removed from the house was thoroughly checked beforehand. That's just basic police work. It may not have been taken in evidence but I'm sure it was checked.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-55151020526205793692012-11-29T23:10:12.017-05:002012-11-29T23:10:12.017-05:00I, like you, have long believed that John stood on...I, like you, have long believed that John stood on top of the suitcase and broke the window with a bat. Lou Smit contended that the intruder used it to climb out of the window but, if that was done, then one would think that the suitcase would've been parallel to the window opening, not perpendicular. One more thing...I'm 100% positive that the golf club bag was not taken into evidence because I distinctly remember reading that John had requested that it be brought to him.icedtea4menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-55389145264639767292012-11-28T22:11:46.159-05:002012-11-28T22:11:46.159-05:00A fascinating aspect of this case is the large num...A fascinating aspect of this case is the large number of "likely suspects" who've been identified over the years. It's a long list, and each and every one sounds really suspicious until we realize that there's no evidence linking any of them to the crime. Bottom line: no prosecutor would ever be able to go after any of these people or in fact ANY intruder suspect, since 1. there was no sign of forced entry; 2. all doors were locked; 3. no evidence of an intruder's presence in the house; 4. no intruder theory makes sense. DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-44969248457592336102012-11-28T18:31:25.432-05:002012-11-28T18:31:25.432-05:00Brian Scott has always interested me. He made comm...Brian Scott has always interested me. He made comments about JonBenet's well defined calves, he knew the house well, and he had no alibi from midnight on, on Christmas night. He seems to fit the profile. He mentions that he watched JonBenet play with the exercise device you hook to your ankle and swing parallel to the ground while jumping over the piece swinging around, this is in Perfect Murder, Perfect Town. Something I found by accident was a photo of the back of the Ramsey home and that exercise thing(for lack of a better word) was laying there on the ground. Doesn't mean anything I just thought it was eerie to see it there, probably discarded from the last time she ever used it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-25043803874434225482012-10-05T08:02:58.100-04:002012-10-05T08:02:58.100-04:00As I understand it, anything she'd have been a...As I understand it, anything she'd have been allowed to take would have been carefully checked beforehand, so I don't think it matters.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.com