tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post1686978257469359036..comments2024-02-23T18:09:21.379-05:00Comments on Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case: The Complaint -- Part 5DocGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comBlogger265125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-8859393651810014602017-01-30T15:27:10.168-05:002017-01-30T15:27:10.168-05:00My scenario is that everything was done by only on...My scenario is that everything was done by only one person PR. <br /><br />-She weared the same clothes from the day before <br />-she called their fiends only 2 minutes after calling the police <br />-few good leads that she have wroted and done the RN (the RN leads clue everywhere but none to her) <br />-Her personality tend me to believe that she would have done everything it needs to not lose her statue, money etc <br />-when JR found she did not ran right away to her like any mother would have done, I suspect that she already knew what was coming. <br />-fiber of her shirt founded on the gaffer tape. <br /><br />I still believe that if that case is still unsolved is that JR and BR are totally innocent and was manipulate by her from the very beginning. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00262149282861518060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-82663919334619752692017-01-24T02:40:55.989-05:002017-01-24T02:40:55.989-05:00Thanks, Inq, and I very much enjoy your comments. ...Thanks, Inq, and I very much enjoy your comments. I love your enthusiasm for the case - regardless of who any of us believe the murderer is, that is one common trait we all share. I just wanted to point out that the very behaviour you feel points towards Patsy's guilt is the very same behaviour you felt proved her innocence at one point - which is not "annoying", but it is just met with caution, naturally. I just think it's a little dangerous to look at her funeral attire, a photo at JB's grave, or what you deem to be her dramatic performance on the morning of the 26th as probable signs of her involvement. Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-4011997388762338062017-01-23T17:08:15.645-05:002017-01-23T17:08:15.645-05:00Yes Ms D I do see what you are saying. I'm no...Yes Ms D I do see what you are saying. I'm not asking to be believed now either. I still have doubts with all four scenarios. Nor do I want to convince anyone of what I believe now. I want to keep questioning forever if possible. No one is required to believe whatever theory I embrace but I can still passionately argue for it in here I hope. And support others who I'm in agreement with, and question parts of what they think that I don't agree with. But I totally get that it's annoying for you. I would say my opinion in regard to Patsy has returned to what it was 20 years ago. And still, with some reservations. I can promise you this: I'll keep questioning. And you keep poking me, it's good for me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980400715237199782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-29795834263339962962017-01-23T16:16:13.050-05:002017-01-23T16:16:13.050-05:00Always good to see another movie on the subject. B...Always good to see another movie on the subject. But who don't they sue, anyway?<br /><br />DiamindLil, I just saw your response on my other page, I posted another pic there to clarify.SC Shaferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12088725689569911252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-49538436313414233462017-01-23T15:32:44.300-05:002017-01-23T15:32:44.300-05:00Tsk, Johnnie Rotten! Me too. Tsk, Johnnie Rotten! Me too. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980400715237199782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-37525356511384189472017-01-23T13:56:00.896-05:002017-01-23T13:56:00.896-05:00The ME put ingestion of the pineapple much closer ...The ME put ingestion of the pineapple much closer to TOD so that is a big problem. It is possible that it is a red herring, however, JDI's think everything that does not point to JR is a red herring. As far as I am concerned, everything in this case points to BR as the one who was "experimenting sexually" with his sister. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04737786478506148483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-73687443165053510962017-01-23T13:17:37.921-05:002017-01-23T13:17:37.921-05:00J, you are making the same mistake the investigati...J, you are making the same mistake the investigation team made -- and most following the case have also made. So this isn't really addressed to you -- it's my message to the world, which I'd shout out at the top of my voice (if I had a voice and not just this dopey computer):<br /><br />WHAT WAS FOUND ON THE MORNING OF THE 26TH WAS NOT WHAT THE MURDERER INTENDED TO BE FOUND. THAT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN A PART OF HIS PLAN. IF YOU BASE YOUR THINKING ON WHAT'S EVIDENT ON THE SURFACE, WHAT LIES LURKING IN THE DEPTHS WILL FOREVER BE UNKNOWABLE!<br /><br />That goes for just about every aspect of this case. And it applies as well to the note and the notepad on which it was written. Once we see the plan behind the note we realize that John would have had the opportunity to destroy crucial evidence had Patsy not called 911 when she did. He could certainly have destroyed the notepad. And it's possible he could have even destroyed the note, claiming the "kidnappers" wanted it returned. He'd have made sure a friend or two read it first, so they could serve as witnesses to its contents. Or he could have typed or written out a copy to show the police.<br /><br />Given his plan, which would NOT have included Patsy's 911 call, he would have had all sorts of options.DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-85000853189535506822017-01-23T12:41:38.312-05:002017-01-23T12:41:38.312-05:00It's my understanding that was part of John...It's my understanding that was part of John's exit package from AG, of which LM was an owner: the company bought the 15th Street house for FMV when John left the company and moved what was left of his family back to Atlanta.<br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-49243859016979306632017-01-23T11:57:41.232-05:002017-01-23T11:57:41.232-05:00I think DocG will have to make a new entry today. ...I think DocG will have to make a new entry today. We're over 250+ posts and that kicks it into the load more. (btw, will you be hosting the Super Bowl party for all of us here in the peanut gallery?) ;)diamondlilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-24255218369389675872017-01-23T11:40:51.418-05:002017-01-23T11:40:51.418-05:00Ms D - its a dream of mine to open up this blog on...Ms D - its a dream of mine to open up this blog one day to you saying that you now believe BDI. Here's to hope :-)<br /><br />-JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-47401377652020418882017-01-23T11:30:41.896-05:002017-01-23T11:30:41.896-05:00Caps lock doesn't make your statement any true...Caps lock doesn't make your statement any truer, J. ;)<br />Though, I tend to agree with you to a degree.....unless CC is correct and John intentionally chose Patsy's writing materials. Or, as Doc said, he simply wasn't aware the paper and pen could be traced back to the house, but I find that unlikely.....though it is possible. Certainly a lot more plausible than believing Patsy chose to use her own stationary when her plan was to address the note solely to John (she would have been a lot wiser to address it to the both of them if she didn't want to draw suspicion to herself as the author), then go into great detail about the manner in which the money must be collected/delivered, only to call the cops on herself - therefore negating the need for such specifics she so carefully laid out in the RN - then opt to go with a sexually motivated murder by an intruder instead - but still use the note anyway, even though she is well aware the cops are going to realize it isn't a kidnapping when they find JB's body in the basement, complete with obvious signs of sexual abuse that instantly point suspicion to the two males in the house.....all of this to cover up for an accidental blow to the head by a son who couldn't be charged.<br />"Hey, I know! Let's cover up an innocent accident by making it look like an intentional sex crime instead!" said no parent ever..... <br />Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-88102802279417741452017-01-23T11:19:25.964-05:002017-01-23T11:19:25.964-05:00EG - I don't have any of the books handy, but ...EG - I don't have any of the books handy, but it seems like the only names NOT put on the suspect list by the family in their books were<br />The Stines<br /><br />Since the family and their attorneys and Smit put out that the intruder/foreign faction entered the home while they were away and stayed for hours rambling around the house, and the Stines were their last stop for present drop offs, could be why no finger pointing that way. And we know the rest of that joined at the hip relationship after that.diamondlilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-24813328283647262522017-01-23T11:03:18.625-05:002017-01-23T11:03:18.625-05:00"And to follow it with the garrote, is just b..."And to follow it with the garrote, is just bizarre and difficult to believe."<br /><br />Which is exactly what John Ramsey was counting on. And it worked, didn't it? <br />A little trick he no doubt learned from his "Murder For Dummies" How-To guide, Mind Hunter (not the garrote, per se, but the idea of staging a crime so brutal, it defies logic that it could have been committed by someone close to the victim) and a garrote is very much keeping it in line with a murder by a "foreign faction" - because what parent would do that to a child, right?Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-41896722180894469782017-01-23T10:58:17.413-05:002017-01-23T10:58:17.413-05:00Yes Lil, I think its very possible Patsy physicall...Yes Lil, I think its very possible Patsy physically wrote the note with Johns help on the verbage. <br /><br />I will say this again.......IF the note was pre-written or the crime was premeditated, YOU WOULD NOT USE PEN AND PAPER FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE AND THEN LEAVE SAID PAPER AND PEN INSIDE THE HOUSE. It makes no sense on any level. For the skeptics to say he was rushed or that this was his first crime, I call BS. <br /><br />-JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-23244983380624557572017-01-23T10:58:02.794-05:002017-01-23T10:58:02.794-05:00Wasn't LHP the housekeeper that said she loved...Wasn't LHP the housekeeper that said she loved Patsy like a daughter? I thought John said he thought Mrs White was jealous of Patsy. Don't recall hearing that said about any of the hired help.diamondlilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-26660884168737524132017-01-23T10:52:30.487-05:002017-01-23T10:52:30.487-05:00Here, here Inq, good points.Here, here Inq, good points.diamondlilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-79672485935339004762017-01-23T10:47:44.290-05:002017-01-23T10:47:44.290-05:00This article with clip was posted 1/20 about Netfl...This article with clip was posted 1/20 about Netflix's new upcoming Jonbenet movie. Now I don't know if Lin Wood will sue them, the angle it seems is how the news affected Boulder residents and such.<br />http://www.self.com/story/netflix-jonbenet-ramseydiamondlilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-77963344478627534912017-01-23T10:44:14.629-05:002017-01-23T10:44:14.629-05:00"That some of us believe more strongly in one..."That some of us believe more strongly in one than the other is not "confirmation bias." It's our opinions - based on what we know, what we don't know, what we've read, what we've observed, and how we've thought it out for ourselves."<br /><br />I was referring to the way you defended Patsy's behaviour as completely in line with a grieving mother when you were IDI, yet now you view those very same actions as suspicious. Essentially, you're interpreting Patsy's behaviour as confirmation of your current beliefs - that's basically the definition of confirmation bias, isn't it?<br /><br />"I'm no more demonizing her than you are demonizing John, who you think did it."<br /><br />Major difference, Inq: I wasn't defending John a month ago, as you were Patsy. I've never defended him, so what I say about John today is what I said about him on this forum six months ago when I first began posting here. John's behaviour has always seemed suspect to me, my opinion hasn't changed, yours in regards to Patsy has changed dramatically.....you see what I'm saying?Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-72986988998487374692017-01-23T10:30:33.027-05:002017-01-23T10:30:33.027-05:00It makes sense if you already hate the family for ...It makes sense if you already hate the family for being rich and beautiful. Plus I was thinking more of husband plus son in law or a friend not her.Maybe Jb resisted. After the blow to the head they did not wanna leave empty handed. Tried to assault her but get scared and leave. Or maybe BR wakes up. Dunno Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-54856135106615825332017-01-23T10:26:18.591-05:002017-01-23T10:26:18.591-05:00Gumshoe,
I don't think any of the theories ca...Gumshoe,<br /><br />I don't think any of the theories can be ruled out, including the IDI theory. The way the family gave out keys, the contradictory evidence of the "experts", etc. makes it impossible to conclude any one person or persons did it.<br /><br />Nothing adds up. Choosing Christmas night to kill your child when you've leaving for a trip the next day makes no sense at all. The gruesome way in which she was killed makes it difficult to believe a parent is capable of such brutality. Not those two parents, anyway. They doted on her and on BR for that matter. <br /><br />I go back and forth myself because it IS possible that it was an accident, IF it can be determined that the head blow came first. But even THAT, is contradicted by experts. And to follow it with the garrote, is just bizarre and difficult to believe.<br /><br />EGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-14185203281718291592017-01-23T10:20:46.588-05:002017-01-23T10:20:46.588-05:00I had wondered before if he was influenced by the ...I had wondered before if he was influenced by the Lindberg case given his interest in flying. That's most interesting.<br /><br />I think whoever said Fleet White was the original Patsy has got that much right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-11134866271470981892017-01-23T10:18:06.756-05:002017-01-23T10:18:06.756-05:00which goes back to Suzc's post Ms D - John as ...which goes back to Suzc's post Ms D - John as murderer or conspiratorAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980400715237199782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-50074027775916586582017-01-23T10:15:28.863-05:002017-01-23T10:15:28.863-05:00Yes, Inq! One of my all time favourites.....Never ...Yes, Inq! One of my all time favourites.....Never Mind The Bullocks, Here's The Sex Pistols. :) Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-84689151219417200732017-01-23T10:12:48.528-05:002017-01-23T10:12:48.528-05:00Oh, Doc just said as much.....so often I take such...Oh, Doc just said as much.....so often I take such a long time to compose my comment (watching You Tube documentaries whilst posting on a blog will do that to you. I find sometimes it takes more than an hour to compose a single paragraph, lol) that someone else beats me to it in the meantime! <br />Ms Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15732858990595163048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6494242281396312957.post-69140627386350265452017-01-23T10:12:42.682-05:002017-01-23T10:12:42.682-05:00LHP would have had access to the house but the man...LHP would have had access to the house but the manner of JBR's death wouldn't make sense for a couple if their motive was money.Gumshoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01547143220583770679noreply@blogger.com